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Re: Bishop Athanasius Schneider: 'Vatican II is Salvageable'
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2020, 02:51:29 PM »
Why is so important for Bishop Schneider, SSPX, etc. to save what they can of Vatican II (see his quotes below)? Is it a requirement to be allowed to live peacefully in the NWO and not be persecuted? 

The fact that they have poke and prod, scrape and scratch the Council like a half rotten fruit should be enough to say " toss it, it ain't worth saving". If the NWO puppet masters can do a "global reset" on the old Catholic World Order, then we Catholics should be able to do our own "reset" on VII.


"Some who criticize the Second Vatican Council say that, although there are good aspects to it, it’s somewhat like a cake with a bit of poison in it, and so the whole cake needs to be thrown out. I do not think we can follow this method, nor the method of “throwing the baby out with the bath water.” With regard to a legitimate ecuмenical Council, even if there were negative points, we have to maintain an overall attitude of respect. We have to evaluate and esteem all that is really and truly good in the Council texts, without irrationally and dishonestly closing the eyes of reason to what is objectively and evidently ambiguous and even erroneous in some of the texts. One has always to remember that the texts of the Second Vatican Council are not the inspired Word of God, nor are they definitive dogmatic judgments or infallible pronouncements of the Magisterium, because the Council itself did not have this intention."

"Another example is Amoris Laetitia. There are certainly many points we need to criticize objectively and doctrinally. But there are some sections which are very helpful, really good for family life, e.g., about elderly people in the family: in se they are very good. One should not reject the entire docuмent but receive from it what is good. The same with the Council texts."

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Re: Bishop Athanasius Schneider: 'Vatican II is Salvageable'
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2020, 02:59:37 PM »
Great points, Mr G.  If Schneider wants to save what is "good" in V2, then why doesn't he help us all out and come up with a 4-5 page summary (if it even takes that much room) and give us the "good stuff".  Call it the V2 cliff notes.  Spread it far a wide, to every diocese in the world.  Tell everyone:  Read this summary; IGNORE everything else.  All else is anti-Catholic or so confusing as to appear anti-Catholic.
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Part 2 is he (and all the "conservative" V2 apologists) need to write a summary + a book to emphasize EVERY error and heresy in V2 and re-iterate catholic doctrine.  Then tell everyone, in every diocese, in every school:  Here are the problems with V2.  Reject these errors or you're not catholic.  V2 is history; the future is orthodoxy.


Re: Bishop Athanasius Schneider: 'Vatican II is Salvageable'
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2020, 03:00:21 PM »
Great points.  Schneider's letter is as long-winded, contradictory and ambiguous as V2 itself.  The "positives" listed from V2 are a joke.  Then he repeatedly says that the council has many problems, but since it's not infallible, that it's not contradictory of Tradition.  Yet his conclusion is we must still have an "attitude of respect"?  Why?  For what purpose?  Schneider's logic is ridiculous.
It seems the Bishop is trying to sway the Indult, FSSP and SSPX crowd so that they do not drift over to Archbishops Vigano, which might reawaken the idea that their is a Conciliar Church.

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Re: Bishop Athanasius Schneider: 'Vatican II is Salvageable'
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2020, 03:06:41 PM »
"Cardinal" Walter Brandmüller appears to have given an answer to Viganò, too, although he doesn't mention Viganò's name. Marco Tosatti has posted video and transcript of a recent conference titled IL VATICANO II E LE DIFFICOLTÀ DELL’INTERPRETAZIONE and tagged it "Viganò".

Brandmüller simply reiterates Ratzinger's "Hermeneutic of Continuity".

marcotosatti.com (no English translation)

It does seem that +Schneider is agreeing that the hermeneutic of continuity fails on some things at Vatican II and rejects it.

He, however, believes that the erroneous statements in V2 should just be amended and reformed.

+Vigano disagrees and believes that the entire thing should be pitched.

Re: Bishop Athanasius Schneider: 'Vatican II is Salvageable'
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2020, 03:11:43 PM »
Here’s what separates Vigano from Schneider:

Schneider:

“Some who criticize the Second Vatican Council say that, although there are good aspects to it, it’s somewhat like a cake with a bit of poison in it, and so the whole cake needs to be thrown out. I do not think we can follow this method, nor the method of “throwing the baby out with the bath water.” 

He still wants to save the council.

Vigano rightly says to flush it down the toilet.

Undoubtedly, Vigano will respond, and I can’t wait!