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Total load of crap:

Sean, you seemed to miss what i was saying.  In my previous post, I actually lumped Bishop Williamson (and those in the Resistance who think like him) in with the +Vigano side because they believe that V2 has been completely vitiated and must be rejected in its entirety.  And I keep citing +Fellay as being aligned with +Schneider.

Indeed, though, +Schneider does enunciate many principles of R&R, leaning on the fact that the erroneous pronouncements in V2 are not infallible and therefore capable of reform.  +Vigano on the other hand does seem to lean towards the PRINCIPLES of sedevacantism in saying that it's unheardof for an Ecuмenical Council to need substantial reform.

That is a separate issue entirely than whether the See is empty or occupied.  As I have said, it depends on how you think that a heretical Pope should be treated by the Church, whether with +Bellarmine that he's already deposed or with Cajtean/John of St. Thomas that he needs to be deposed (which is what Fr. Chazal holds).  If the latter, then my hope is that +Vigano might lead a process of awakening that might ultimately lead to that necessary measure.

As for Father Chazal, he has stated unequivocally that Beroglgio is a heretic and that everything he says should be ignored, just that the Popes materially occupy the office and require intervention by the Church to be deposed.  That's going even farther than +Vigano.  Father Chazal got triggered by the accusation of "sedeprivationism" and so he coined his own version "sede-impoundism" ... which for all practical purposes amounts to the same thing.  He's just been so brainwashed to react against the very word sedevacantism, like you are, that he didn't ultimately have the intellectual honesty to admit that he's basically saying the same thing the sedeprivationists are.  So he had to coin a new term to get away from this.  If these men have formal authority, you can't just ignore them categorically but must adopt more of the classic R&R position that you must still obey their commands and teachings that are not in conflict with Tradition.

In any case, Sean, stop being such a snowflake about terms like sedevacantism.  You have been conditioned to start frothing at the mouth with the mere mention of the word, and you'll never wake up to the full truth of things with attitudes like that.

I wouldn't characterize Vigano as a sede but it is clear that his position is leaning in that direction.  And it isn't idle speculation either given that a significant number of Novus Ordo conservatives have completely ignored Salsa and Siscoe doctrine and embraced sede arguments.  It isn't hard to see that Vigano is heading in the same direction.  And Vigano's position is different from the conservatives who are taking the sede position in that he also is repudiating V2 which no other groups besides the sedes and the hardcore R&R have taken.  It remains to be seen where he will end up.

Completely gratuitous.