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Bishop (?) Pfeiffer to Ordain First Priests (?)
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  • Ordinations Our Lady Of Mount Carmel Boston Ky June 26, 2021
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    Re: Bishop (?) Pfeiffer to Ordain First Priests (?)
    « Reply #1 on: May 21, 2021, 07:44:02 AM »
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  • Aside from the question regarding the validity of Bishop Webster’s own episcopal consecration, there is the matter of the botched essential form (first discovered in the video by Ladislaus).

    Fr. Pfeiffer then claimed Bishop Webster conditionally consecrated him shortly thereafter.

    I called Bishop Webster to inquire about the veracity of this report, and he confirmed to me that he did in fact perform a conditional consecration.

    Nevertheless, on the one hand, because no video of this conditional consecration has ever surfaced, we are put in the uncomfortable situation of having to accept their word for it.  

    Equally concerning, is the fact that the form was so badly botched in the first attempt, one can’t help wondering how well the form was repeated in the second attempt.  One would think Pfeiffer and Assoc. would have him first practice it for the second attempt, but that is an assumption, and again, there is no record.
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    Re: Bishop (?) Pfeiffer to Ordain First Priests (?)
    « Reply #2 on: May 21, 2021, 08:08:05 AM »
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  • Is there a consensus view amongst sedes regarding the validity of Webster’s ordination and consecration?
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    Re: Bishop (?) Pfeiffer to Ordain First Priests (?)
    « Reply #3 on: May 21, 2021, 08:28:51 AM »
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  • Aside from the question regarding the validity of Bishop Webster’s own episcopal consecration, there is the matter of the botched essential form (first discovered in the video by Ladislaus).

    Fr. Pfeiffer then claimed Bishop Webster conditionally consecrated him shortly thereafter.

    I called Bishop Webster to inquire about the veracity of this report, and he confirmed to me that he did in fact perform a conditional consecration.

    Nevertheless, on the one hand, because no video of this conditional consecration has ever surfaced, we are put in the uncomfortable situation of having to accept their word for it.  

    Equally concerning, is the fact that the form was so badly botched in the first attempt, one can’t help wondering how well the form was repeated in the second attempt.  One would think Pfeiffer and Assoc. would have him first practice it for the second attempt, but that is an assumption, and again, there is no record.

    Not only was the form so badly botched that Bishop Sanborn et al. reportedly called the consecration outright invalid, but Fr. Pfeiffer later justified the botched form, claiming it was valid.  That makes his judgment highly suspect regarding the validity of the subsequent conditional.  There's also the question of why not simply release the video if there are no new issues with it.

    Unfortunately for these young men, I would have to consider their ordinations to be doubtful, and I would not seek the Sacraments from them unless they were the only available option in danger of death.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 21, 2021, 08:33:09 AM »
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  • There's also a bit of sketchiness with regard to Bishop Webster's lineage in the priesthood (through the Palmarians).



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    « Reply #5 on: May 21, 2021, 10:02:53 AM »
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    Unfortunately for these young men, I would have to consider their ordinations to be doubtful,
    A larger issue is, what kind of seminary training did they get?  By multiple, multiple first hand accounts, Fr P was hardly ever there, there was no structure, seminarians were “teaching” seminarians and Pablo was in the mix of it all - cancelling classes to do this or that non-school task. 
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    What a nightmare on so many levels. 

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    « Reply #6 on: May 21, 2021, 10:14:41 AM »
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  • A larger issue is, what kind of seminary training did they get?  By multiple, multiple first hand accounts, Fr P was hardly ever there, there was no structure, seminarians were “teaching” seminarians and Pablo was in the mix of it all - cancelling classes to do this or that non-school task.
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    What a nightmare on so many levels.

    Well, it's debatable which is the bigger issue ... I guess that would depend on the circumstances.  I'd probably rather get bad advice in the Confessional (I would be on the lookout due to their suspect training) than not receive absolutely due to invalidity ... or bogus Last Rites.  When I'm on my deathbed, I'm not too particular about poor training, as long as they're trained enough to be able to confect the core Sacraments.

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    Re: Bishop (?) Pfeiffer to Ordain First Priests (?)
    « Reply #7 on: May 21, 2021, 10:17:10 AM »
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  • The first few responses here are hitting all the main points:

    - Doubtful status of Bp. Webster
    - Extreme doubt as to first/second "attempted" consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer
    - We have proof of a botched consecration -- but no evidence it was rectified. The rectified 2nd attempt -- if it exists -- needs to be at least as solid (visible, widespread, available) as the first botched consecration -- which was all over the Net.
    - Inability to take Fr. Pfeiffer at his word. We have concrete evidence of Fr. Pfeiffer lying in the past, whenever it suited his cause.
    - Issues of the utmost severity/gravity with regards to the seminary formation at Fr. P's "seminary"

    And then there's

    - Diabolical influence of Pablo the Mexican
    - Fr. P past support of Fr. Tetherow, Ambrose Moran the Fraud, etc.
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    Re: Bishop (?) Pfeiffer to Ordain First Priests (?)
    « Reply #8 on: May 21, 2021, 10:44:50 AM »
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  • They've wasted so many years of their life that they'll never ever get back at, essentially, a diploma mill. They're coming out of it as dubious priests with horrendous formation.

    Would any of them have the humility to admit that this is all bunk and get retrained somewhere decent? Or are they too far gone in the cult?
    Have been using website blocks to deliberately limit my time here and now realize that the break needs to basically be permanent. 

    This forum isn’t for me anymore And it takes up too much time. God bless you all!

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    Re: Bishop (?) Pfeiffer to Ordain First Priests (?)
    « Reply #9 on: May 21, 2021, 10:53:09 AM »
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  • Are they going to start serving Fr. Pfeiffer's missions now or will they go out on their own? Does he still have missions like he used to? I went to two of his resistance Masses back in the day before he became estranged from Bishop Williamson. Maybe if these priests could help out Father Pfeiffer could be at the seminary more often. Then he could churn out some quality geocentrist priests.
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    « Reply #10 on: May 21, 2021, 12:12:07 PM »
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  • And then there's

    - Diabolical influence of Pablo the Mexican


    This is the most critical issue.  

    If PtM was not controlling Fr. Pfeiffer, then there would have been some hope for Our Lady of Mount Carmel's apostolate.

    For those on this forum who are unaware, PtM for years, has been accused by various Pfeiffer faithful and seminarians of occult activities.  

    It was most obvious in the killing of dogs & chickens on the Pfeiffer farm and then burning their remains and collecting the ashes.  
    PtM was caught putting the ashes into the community food.

    When I state that Fr. Pfieffer and his group are being demonically controlled or that PtM is putting curses on the seminarians and Faithful,
    I have Father Amorth at my back.

    The ex-Chief Exorcist of Rome, Fr. Gabriele Amorth categorizes demonic activity into ordinary and extraordinary.
    The former is simply temptation, while the latter is broken down into the six main categories.
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     1. External Physical Pain Caused by Satan:

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    As its name suggestions, demonic activity can manifest as physical pain. Fr. Amorth points to Saint John of the Cross, the Cure of Ars, and Padre Pio as historical examples of those who suffered physical beatings and torment by demons. However, since this “external form of persecution does not affect the soul,” it is understood that “there has never been the need for an exorcism, only for prayers.”
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     2. Demonic Possession:

    “This occurs when Satan takes full possession of the body (not the soul); he speaks and acts without the knowledge or consent of the victim, who therefore is morally blameless.” In reference to the question, is there a stereotypical possession or referential model, Fr. Amorth advises the following, “to fix a set ‘model’ for demonic possession would be a serious mistake; the affliction runs the gamut of symptoms and severity.”
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    3. Diabolical Oppression:
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    “There is no possession, loss of consciousness, or involuntary action and word, ” just severe to mild events that plague the individual. Fr. Amorth points to Job’s severe afflictions and St. Paul’s thorn in his flesh (II Cor 12:7). Whereas “possession is rare,” Fr. Amorth reveals that he and his fellow exorcists “run into a great number of people who have been struck by the devil in their health, jobs, or relationships.”
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     4. Diabolic Obsession:

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    “Symptoms include sudden attacks, at times ongoing, of obsessive thoughts, sometimes even rationally absurd, but of such nature that the victim is unable to free himself.” Moreover, “the obsessed person lives in a perpetual state of prostration, desperation, and attempts at ѕυιcιdє. Almost always obsession influences dreams.”
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    5. Diabolic Infestation:
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    “Infestations affect houses, things, or animals.”
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    6. Diabolical Subjugation, or Dependence:
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    Fr. Amorth explains, “people fall into this form of evil when thy voluntarily submit to Satan. The two most common forms of dependence are the blood pact with the devil and the consecration to Satan.”
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     The Four Types of Curses

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    Fr. Amorth on the 4 Types of Curses: "Curse is a generic word. It is commonly defined as “harming others through demonic intervention.” This is an exact definition, but it does not explain the cause of the harm, hence the beginning of confusion. For instance, some believe that curse is synonymous with spell or witchcraft. In my opinion, spells and witchcraft are two different types of curses. I do not claim to give a comprehensive explanation, and I rely solely on my own experience when I defend the following forms of curses".
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     1. Black Magic
    – Witchcraft – Satanic Rites that Culminate with Black Masses
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    Fr. Amorth address these practices as a group because they are analogous and they share the “common characteristic” of obtaining “a curse against a specific person through magic formulas or rituals – at times very complex – by invoking the demon, but without the use of particular objects.”
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    Whoever devotes himself to these practices becomes a servant of Satan through his own fault.
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    Scriptural passages prohibiting analogous practices: Dt18:10-12, Lev 19:31, Lev 20:27, Lev 19:26-31, Ex 22:18
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    2. Curses
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    Curses invoke evil, and the origin of all evil is demonic. When curses are spoken with true perfidy, especially if there is a blood relationship between the one who casts them and the accursed, the outcome can be terrible.
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    Fr. Amorth stresses the fact that there are incredibly strong bonds between family members, and that curses that operate within these familial bonds or on a “special occasion,” e.g., a wedding, can have terrible consequences.
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    He gives several examples of cases he worked: a young man cursed by his own father at birth, parents cursing their daughter-in-law at their wedding, and man whose grandmother cursed a photograph of him, resulting in ill legs and multiple surgeries.
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    3. The Evil Eye
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    This consists in a spell cast by looking at someone. It does not come about, as many think, by believing that some individual cause bad luck by just looking at you; this is nonsense. The evil eye is a true spell; in other words, it presupposes the will to harm a predetermined person with the intervention of demons.
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    What is important is that the victim should not suspect everyone he meets, but forgive wholeheartedly whoever caused him evil, no matter who. I want to stress that, while I believe that the evil eye is possible, I cannot be positive that I have encountered it in my experience as an exorcist.
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    4. The Spell (aka Malefice or Hex)
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    A “spell” is the “most commonly used means to achieve evil.” In Latin, it is the male factus – meaning “Evil work.” It is generally accomplished by making some type of “evil” artifact.
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    The object has an almost symbolic value: it is a tangible sign of the will to harm, and it is offered to Satan to be imprinted with his evil powers. It is often said that Satan apes God; in this case we can use the sacraments as an analogy. The sacraments use tangible matter (for instance the water of baptism) as an instrument of grace. In the malefice matter is used as an instrument of harm.
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     Application of the Malefice:

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    Direct Way: “Consists of mixing the object that is used for the spell into the victim’s food or drink. As already mentioned, this is manufactured with the most diverse materials; it can be menstrual blood; bones of dead people; various burned powders, mostly black; animal parts – the heart seems to be the favorite; peculiar herbs, and so on.”
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    Indirect Way: “This consists in hexing objects that belong to the target (photographs, clothes, or other belongings) or figures that represent the accursed: dolls, puppets, animals, even real people of the same age and sex. This is called “transfer” material, and it is struck with the same ills that are intended for the victim.”
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    Other Attributes:
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    Binding Malefice: The transfer object is bound with various ribbons or animal hairs to produce a “binding” effect. Fr. Amorth recounts an event where a doll was bound to an umbilical cord with horse hair in an attempt to strike a pregnant woman’s child.
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    Hex Objects: Often times transfer objects for a hex appear inside pillows or mattresses.
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    I have found just about everything, from colored and tied ribbons to chunks of hair tightly knotted… animals – especially mice – or geometric shapes; and blood clots. I have seen chunks of wood or iron, twisted wire, and dolls full of piercing and marks and have witnessed the sudden appearance of very thick braids of children or women’s hair. Miraculously, sometimes these objects are not even visible until holy water is sprinkled upon the opened pillow.
     
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    Re: Bishop (?) Pfeiffer to Ordain First Priests (?)
    « Reply #11 on: May 21, 2021, 12:16:17 PM »
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  • Are they going to start serving Fr. Pfeiffer's missions now or will they go out on their own?

    This got me thinking. Besides the doubtfulness of their ordination, and the absolute bottom-basement quality of seminary training, any "priests" coming from Boston will probably be especially prone to going off on their own, disobedience, and STARTING FROM Fr. Pfeiffer's level of insanity and going off into left field from there.

    In other words, they're going to up the ante on Fr. Pfeiffer's insanity, as if to say at a poker game: "I'll see your level of insanity, Fr. Pfeiffer, and raise you..."

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    « Reply #12 on: May 21, 2021, 12:30:49 PM »
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  • Secondly, it was not until PtM announced Fr. Pfeiffer's consecration nearly one year ago, that we understood exactly which cult he was practicing.Santeria.
    Santeria means "worship of the saints" and in PtM's announcement, he venerated St. Lazarus, a popular Santeria saint.


                    Santerian St. of Good Health, Lazarus




    Now, here's more detail on the animal sacrifice, which matches PtM's MO very well.


    Animal sacrifice in Santeria

    Animal sacrifice is central to Santeria. The animal is sacrificed as food, rather than for any obscure mystical purpose.
    Followers of an Orisha will offer them food and sacrifice animals to them in order to build and maintain a personal relationship with the spirit. The process not only brings the worshipper closer to their Orisha, but makes them more aware of the presence of the Orisha within them.



    A chicken: the most common sacrifice. © Sue McDonald ©
    This is a mutual process; the food is essential for the Orishas, who will die without being fed, and in return the Orishas are able to help the worshippers. Orishas are also nourished by other forms of worship and praise.

    Sacrifices are performed for life events such as birth, marriage, and death. They are also used for healing.
    Without sacrifice the religion would die out, as sacrifice is essential for initiation into the faith community and the 'ordination' of priests.

    The animals are killed by cutting the carotid arteries with a single knife stroke in a similar way to other religious methods of slaughter.
    Animals are cooked and eaten following all Santeria rituals (except healing and death rites, where the sickness is believed to pass into the dead animal).

    Eating the sacrificed animal is considered a sharing with the Orisha, who only consumes the animal's blood, while the worshippers eat the meat.
    Sacrificial animals include chickens (the most common), pigeons, doves, ducks, guinea pigs, goats, sheep, and turtles.

    The USA Supreme Court has stated (Church of Lukumi Babalu Aye v. City of Hialeah, 1993 - see related links) that it is constitutional for Santeria worshippers to kill animals for such a ritual sacrifice.



    Last comment:

    The satanic malefice or curse PtM is using is the same concept that's behind the Fauci/Gates vaccines.  

    Folks who are vaccinated are partaking of human tissues which were sacrificed to satan.  

    Not only are they being poisoned, they are also receiving a curse.



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    « Reply #13 on: May 21, 2021, 12:57:09 PM »
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  • I went to two of his resistance Masses back in the day before he became estranged from Bishop Williamson. Maybe if these priests could help out Father Pfeiffer could be at the seminary more often. Then he could churn out some quality geocentrist priests.

    Father has gone downhill for many YEARS since this estrangement. It isn't about communion with Bishop Williamson; it's about WHY there is no communion between them. Fr. Pfeiffer going over to the Dark Side (as it were) is WHY he no longer gets along with all the good and holy priests and bishops of the Resistance.

    The spiritual life can be visualized as a staircase, or a long ladder stretching from hell to heaven. We are all somewhere on that staircase. Each one of us is either climbing up, or climbing down.

    Fr. P has been climbing down for some time.

    No, even if Fr. P were relieved of all his travelling duties, he would still be incapable of forming good priests because "No one gives what he doesn't have". Nemo dat quod non habet. Also, he would never give up that travelling and socializing with Trads. That's his favorite part.
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  • No, even if he was relieved of all his travelling duties, he would still be incapable of forming good priests because "No one gives what he doesn't have". Nemo dat quod non habet.
    Well he could teach them how to put menstrual blood in someone's food to bind them to the devil. Or does only Pablo do things like that?
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