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Beware St.Mary's Kansas
« on: July 31, 2019, 06:39:41 PM »
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  • An open letter to the parishioners of St. Mary's Kansas
    How wonderful it is the SSPX is building a new church to honor the Immaculata  .By the looks of the fund raising art work it is to be a beautiful and holy church but a word of caution if I may . We in Phoenix were promised a beautiful and holy church as well and like you we had accompanying art work also, like you there was huge fund raising efforts . I would like to tell you everything went smoothly and today we have a church that honors Our Lady of Sorrows and the Mass of all time but that would be a lie and believe me there has been enough lies over the building of this church I have no wish to ad to it . As soon a the pledges were collected and the financing squared away and ground was broke, changes were made both big and small without a word as to why .We were left with a huge debt,cost overruns and a half finished church that best resembles through sight and sound a warehouse . Estimates are we wont be completely finished with the construction for 10 years at which time we more than likely will have to redo a lot of the old construction as there are cracks and defects showing up everywhere and our church is less than 5 years old .So beware because this not the church we pledged ,This is not the church we were told about in the fundraiser pamphlets, this is not the church we were promised from the pulpit. If you are thinking that the way around that is to donate or pledge for a specific item or need like the windows or landscape or a statue. I'm afraid that there is no guarantee it will be used for that. It is no more safe then it is the general building fund . We collected thousands of dollars for the windows and thousands more for other projects only to have the money misappropriated and used for other things . So just be prepared for what is coming and I hope with these words of warning and advice you fare better then we have

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    Re: Beware St.Mary's Kansas
    « Reply #1 on: July 31, 2019, 07:46:07 PM »
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  • In short, do not trust the SSPX. Do not support their fund raisers. Instead, head for the Resistance.

    When the SSPX becomes formally a part of the NewChurch, then your churches will be sold to pay for the pedophile lawsuits.

    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Beware St.Mary's Kansas
    « Reply #2 on: July 31, 2019, 07:51:36 PM »
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  • Well in that regard, the SSPX sold off their church in Syracuse to the muslims and now uses a diocesan church. 

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    Re: Beware St.Mary's Kansas
    « Reply #3 on: July 31, 2019, 09:54:24 PM »
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  • Well in that regard, the SSPX sold off their church in Syracuse to the muslims and now uses a diocesan church.
    How many other diocesan churches does the SSPX use?
    Is this diocesan church under the local ordinary, IOW, under the New Church?
    Or did they purchase a diocesan church so that it is no longer under the control of the local ordinary?
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Beware St.Mary's Kansas
    « Reply #4 on: July 31, 2019, 10:01:01 PM »
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  • Isn't there something in canon law that states when something ($) is donated for a specific purpose (e.g. windows) it MUST be used for that purpose only?  Or otherwise returned?
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    Re: Beware St.Mary's Kansas
    « Reply #5 on: August 01, 2019, 07:15:04 AM »
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  • How many other diocesan churches does the SSPX use?
    Is this diocesan church under the local ordinary, IOW, under the New Church?
    Or did they purchase a diocesan church so that it is no longer under the control of the local ordinary?
    It was in Fr Hewko’s latest newsletter. Apparently they sold the Church to an individual who sold it to the muslims. There were pictures of the stained glass windows covered and the Church gutted. I’m not a follower of Fr Hewko but found this not surprising. 
    http://sspx.org/en/blessed-virgin-mary-church-priory

    Lists using St Cecelia’s Church is Solvay, NY

    Here’s the website for the “cluster” that includes St Cecelia’s. 

    You can’t make this stuff up, folks!


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    Re: Beware St.Mary's Kansas
    « Reply #6 on: August 01, 2019, 07:16:27 AM »
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  • I also know in India that they use a diocesan church with the express permission of the local ordinary, at the very least in Chennai. There is a huge amount of ecumenism in India. 

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    Re: Beware St.Mary's Kansas
    « Reply #7 on: August 01, 2019, 07:48:46 AM »
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  • Beware of con artist contractors.  
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)


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    Re: Beware St.Mary's Kansas
    « Reply #8 on: August 01, 2019, 09:47:31 AM »
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  • St. Peregrine SSPX Chapel in Cleveland ... same story.  They had a huge fundraising effort to  build a new church, and it brought in very large sums of money.  But no church was ever built.  They're still, ten years later, operating out of a dumpy little converted house.  It's likely that the money collected either directly from the parishioners or indirectly through their efforts was laundered for other purposes of the SSPX that did not directly benefit those who raised the money.

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    Re: Beware St.Mary's Kansas
    « Reply #9 on: August 01, 2019, 12:28:16 PM »
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  • I think this will be different in that the SSPX will make this church their flagship church that they will use to prove to the Vatican what they are capable of and impress the various bishops, etc. So they may be more careful starting a project that they cannot complete. I suspect they will make a determination based on the outcome of the pledges on Aug. 15th. However, I think it is very risky as they still have to do their annual school fundraiser which they need to raise over $500,000 just to keep the school going.


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    Re: Beware St.Mary's Kansas
    « Reply #10 on: August 01, 2019, 03:21:01 PM »
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  • Beware of con artist contractors.  
    you are absolutely right . There is substandard work all through our church .Bell tower , plumbing so bad you can hear toilets flush all the way up to the altar,  basement walls cracking,front door that has never worked right, unusable elevator .The list goes on and on but lets not forget in was the SSPX district hierarchy that made the changes to the original planned church and may and I say again MAY have forced the contractor to take the shortcuts and do the shoddy work to save money due to the enormous cost overruns After all the contractor is a parishioner and was at the time also the church accountant and financial advisor  


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    Re: Beware St.Mary's Kansas
    « Reply #11 on: August 09, 2019, 08:32:36 PM »
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  • It has already started. Just like it did at Our Lady of Sorrows in Phx.
    https://www.anewimmaculata.org/donate  

    Want to see something that if it were not so shockingly sad would be funny, seriously the unmitigated gall of the SSPX knows no bounds to actually start a seperate window fund after what WE went though . Its disgusting



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    Help purchase the beautiful stained-glass windows which will bring the catechism of the church to life.
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    That bears repeating I think "beautiful stained-glass windows which will bring the catechism of the church to life."

     

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