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Benedict XVI will be "Pope Emeritus"
« on: February 27, 2013, 08:05:02 PM »
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  • An interesting article from the "News.Va" - the Vatican Today.

    What will become of the "departing" Pope?

    http://www.news.va/en/news/benedict-xvi-will-be-pope-emeritus

    "He will keep the name of “His Holiness, Benedict XVI” and will dress in a simple white cassock without the mozzetta (elbow-length cape)."

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    Vatican City, 26 February 2013 (VIS) –

    Benedict XVI will be “Pontiff emeritus” or “Pope emeritus”, as Fr. Federico Lombardi, S.J., director of the Holy See Press Office, reported in a press conference on th final days of the current pontificate. He will keep the name of “His Holiness, Benedict XVI” and will dress in a simple white cassock without the mozzetta (elbow-length cape).
     
    More than 50,000 tickets have already been requested for the Pope's final general audience tomorrow morning, 27 February, but greater attendance is expected. Except for the trip around St. Peter's Square in the popemobile and the exclusion of the “bacciamani” (brief personal greetings that take place after the ceremony), the audience will take place as usual. On its conclusion, the Pope will go to the Clementine Hall of the Vatican Palace to meet with some of the civil authorities who are present in Rome or who have travelled here to wish him farewell. Among these dignitaries will be the presidents of Slovakia and of the German region of Bavaria.
     
    On the morning of 28 February, the last day of his pontificate, the Pope will meet with, again in the Clementine Hall, the cardinals what are present in Rome. At 4:55pm, in the San Damaso Courtyard of the Vatican Apostolic Palace and before a detachment of the Swiss Guards, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, S.D.B., secretary of State of His Holiness, and and other members of that dicastery will bid him farewell. The Pope's helicopter will land at Castel Gandolfo at 5:15pm, where he will be received by Cardinal Giuseppe Bertello and Bishop Giuseppe Sciacca, respectively president and secretary general of the Governorate of Vatican City State along with Bishop Marcello Semeraro of the Diocese of Albano, and civil authorities of the locality.
     
    Benedict XVI will appear at the balcony of the Castel Gandolfo Apostolic Palace to greet those who have gathered in the square to wish him well. The Sede Vacante will begin at 8:00pm and the Swiss Guards assigned to him at Castel Gandolfo will take their leave, as their corps is dedicated to the safe-guarding of the Roman Pontiff. Instead, the Vatican Gendarmerie will take over the Pope emeritus' safety detail.
     
    Fr. Lombardi also explained that Bendict XVI will no longer use the “Fisherman's Ring”, which will be destroyed along with the lead seal of the pontificate. This task falls to the cardinal camerlengo and his assistants. Likewise, the Press Office director announced that the Pope will no longer wear the red papal shoes.
     
    Regarding the beginning of the Congregations of Cardinals, the dean of the College of Cardinals will send a letter to all the cardinals on 1 March, calling them to Rome. “It is likely, therefore,” Fr. Lombardi added, “that the congregations will begin starting next week.”
     
    The congregations will be held in the new Synod Hall. The prelates will not be housed in the Casa Santa Marta residence until the eve of the beginning of the Conclave for various reasons, including the fact that rooms are to be assigned by lot during the congregations.


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    Benedict XVI will be "Pope Emeritus"
    « Reply #1 on: February 28, 2013, 05:05:22 AM »
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  • The Bishop in White in the Fatima vision is the Holy Father not the ex-Holy Father ("Pope Emeritus" or whatever).


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    « Reply #2 on: February 28, 2013, 05:32:52 AM »
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  • Quote from: Francisco
    The Bishop in White in the Fatima vision is the Holy Father not the ex-Holy Father ("Pope Emeritus" or whatever).

    Actually Sister Lucia wasn't sure about the bishop in white being the Holy Father, that's why she used this unusual wording "impression" which I (and many others) always wondered about: "we had the impression that it was the Holy Father"...

    Why would she say so instead of plain-text: "It was the Holy Father" ? I think because she didn't saw the real pope but a very unusual of ex-pope or "pope emeritus" in white...
    I think this could very well be B16, the bishop in white, who then, if this is true, would die when the Russian troops invade West Europe including Rome (*) -- and amongst other weapons the Russians attack with smaller mobile rockets. These arrows Lucia mentions are rockets. At the army we always nicknamed the ammunition of our mobile anti-tank rocket launchers (who can be carried by one man) just "stink arrows", because when fired they stank a lot...

    Well, we're going to see.

    (*) Shortly before his death St Pius X saw in another vision "the Russians attacking Geneva" (a town in northern Italy).



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    The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917.

    I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine.

    After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White 'we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.

    (www.vatican.va)

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    « Reply #3 on: February 28, 2013, 06:37:32 AM »
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  • Benedict XVI is fitting himself into the 3rd secret, perhaps unknowingly, like Caiphas, being the high priest, said those words about our Lord: "It is better for one man to die ......"

    Bishop WIlliamson is right. Hang on to your seats.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 28, 2013, 07:15:58 AM »
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  • I  still have faint hope that a scenario like this happens today;


    BXVI says his final goodbye on his way out the door to Card Bertone....He is then escorted along a stone walkway  to the waiting helicopter....as he is about to raise his right foot to board the aircraft, he advises his escort that he would return in a moment..."I forgot my glasses".......He walks back along the stone path, and makes an extreme right hand turn where he meets with the throng of media that has gathered behind a barrier. ...Reaches into his coat pocket and hands over an envelope containing the rest of the third secret......wishes everyone a nice day, and returns to the helicopter.


    Everybody likes a Hollywood ending, right?




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    « Reply #5 on: March 01, 2013, 03:54:30 AM »
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  • Quote from: Christopher67
    Everybody likes a Hollywood ending, right?

    No. On the contrary, a bishop in white dying as martyr in Rome (*), and many of us Catholics following his fate in our places, would be a more realistic and hence Catholic ending. Well, just like Our Lady foretold us in Fatima.

    (*) When this bishop in white should be Card. Ratzinger, well then he and we are lucky because this would be a good ending for a man who betrayed the Church a life long. But God is merciful and just at the same time.


    A very martyr-like bishop told us recently:
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    The Lord God says, “I don’t want you recreating the Church of the 1950s. I want My Church, which is going to stand against the world for Truth and is going to save souls, which is not going to put souls on the edge of the abyss, like the Church of the 1950s. I don’t want Hollywood Catholicism. I’ve had enough of it,”  says the Lord God.

    So if Hollywood Catholicism is coming back inside the Society, then, says the Lord God, “I am going to give the Society a shaking. I’m going to allow the Society to go through a shaking.”  That’s exactly what’s happening. I think it’s because the Lord God has had enough of wishy-washy, sentimental, chocolate Catholicism, and he doesn’t want any more of it.

    That’s not how the Church was built. The Church was built by martyrs being torn to pieces by the lions in the Colosseum in Rome. It wasn’t built by chocolate Catholics.
    Every morning in any of the Society’s houses, Prime is read, and part of the office of Prime is reading what’s called the Martyrology, which is the story of the martyrs. For each day of the year there are martyrs of that day, martyrs and saints, but a lot of them are martyrs, and you hear how these martyrs are torn to pieces, and the sufferings and torments that they all underwent simply because they would not renounce the Faith.

    That is what converted Rome.
    To see young girls, virgins, going through these torments and being torn to pieces and still happy, it blew these virile Romans’ minds, and eventually the virile Romans said, “OK, there’s got to be something here. What is it? Tell me about it.”   “Well, God is three in one, one in three. He died on the Cross.”  “Oh, it’s crazy, all that stuff.”  Then he goes back to the arena to watch the girls being torn to pieces. They’re still there, and there’s always more of them, and the Emperors smash down and they destroy all the Catholics, and then they come back again and they’re still there.

    So this old veteran of Roman wars, he says, “Hey, there’s got to be something here.”  He learns about the doctrine. He says, “This doctrine is noble. There’s something true about it.”  
    Then he studies the doctrine. “Old man, come to Mass. We’ll be an hour at the catacombs at such and such time.”  So he goes down and he attends Mass in the catacombs. “Oh, there’s something there.”  He’s a man. He’s not a woman, and it’s no use despising women when you watch how these girls behaved under the Roman emperor, getting torn to pieces. Eventually he submits. He says, “Yes, I admit,”  and he becomes a Catholic.

    The Roman Empire was converted. The Roman Empire was not converted by chocolate Catholics. It was converted by blood-and-guts Catholics, and what the Lord God wants in today’s apostasy is blood-and-guts Catholics. He needs some more martyrs. He needs another crop of martyrs to spill their blood. There were a lot of martyrs in the Communist countries, and surely there’s going to be another bunch of martyrs. I don't know but it’s very possible, very probable.

    (Section V of Bishop Williamson's Conference in Bristol, England, 22–24 June 2012)

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    « Reply #6 on: March 01, 2013, 06:10:53 AM »
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  • Quote from: sspxbvm
    Benedict XVI is fitting himself into the 3rd secret, perhaps unknowingly, like Caiphas, being the high priest, said those words about our Lord: "It is better for one man to die ......"

    Bishop WIlliamson is right. Hang on to your seats.



    I'm getting a sense that this is the case.  He seems to be fitting himself unwittingly.

    There are some inconsistencies going around.  With all the falderal of the moment,
    people are getting lost in the details.  His pre-announced abdication has the
    media running around like ants trying to keep up with the happenings.  

    Foreign dignitaries are lined up by the dozens to shake his hand and have a
    word with him and I'm amused to see him staring blankly in their general
    direction, as if to say, "You're just one more opportunist who wants a last
    minute favor from me, but I have news for you:  in an hour and forty-five
    minutes I am no longer going to be the Pope."  


    Here's two examples:

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    Fr. Lombardi also explained that Bendict XVI will no longer use the “Fisherman's Ring”, which will be destroyed along with the lead seal of the pontificate. This task falls to the cardinal camerlengo and his assistants. Likewise, the Press Office director announced that the Pope will no longer wear the red papal shoes.



    The ring and the red slippers..  The ring will not be "destroyed," according to the
    reports on EWTN yesterday, but rather at 8:00 pm Rome time, the ring would
    come off and immediately be "defaced" so as to render it useless for docuмents.  
    They did not explain why not destroy it.  Nor did they explain what the purpose
    is of keeping it largely intact - for a museum display?  They didn't say.

    And the slippers - someone said that while he was wearing the red slippers, he
    changed them by removing the emblem of the tiara from them, as if to say that
    he did not intend to fully 'fill the Fisherman's shoes'.  But so long as it appears
    that he is wearing the shoes, that's all that matters, is appearances.

    The veneer of tradition suffices, apparently, like a movie set, looks is all that
    matters.  That could explain a lot about the dribs and drabs of traditionalism
    that he returned to the 'ordinary rite' liturgy:  for the sake of appearances only.



    Also, while the announcers were blathering on and on, they mentioned that
    B16 has said that he is going to Catstel Gandolfo to "climb the hill of prayer,"
    and to live out his remaining days as a simple monk in obedience to the new
    Holy Father.  

    Wait a minute..  Climb the hill of prayer? Why would he say that?  Or is
    someone putting words in his mouth?  

    How abstract could the reality be compared to the "vision?"  Could the "bullets
    and arrows" be the firey darts of derision and accusations?  Could the hill he
    climbs be a 'hill of prayer'?  Could the "big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of
    a cork-tree
    with the bark" be something other than a physical cross?



    Another thing keeps coming back like a refrain.  They keep saying that B16 is
    very 'humble.'  They say this to explain why he's resigning.  They characterize
    him as "humble and unpredictable."  And they say it with reverence as though
    unpredictability and so-called humility in the Pontiff are virtues.  

    "He did it his own way," and "He's charting new territory," and we are supposed
    to be impressed with that, I guess.. I'm reminded of Frank Sinatra singing,


     
    "My Way"

    And now, the end is here
    And so I face the final curtain
    My friend, I'll say it clear
    I'll state my case, of which I'm certain
    I've lived a life that's full
    I traveled each and ev'ry highway
    And more, much more than this, I did it my way

    Regrets, I've had a few
    But then again, too few to mention
    I did what I had to do and saw it through without exemption
    I planned each charted course, each careful step along the byway
    And more, much more than this, I did it my way

    Yes, there were times, I'm sure you knew
    When I bit off more than I could chew
    But through it all, when there was doubt
    I ate it up and spit it out
    I faced it all and I stood tall and did it my way

    I've loved, I've laughed and cried
    I've had my fill, my share of losing
    And now, as tears subside, I find it all so amusing
    To think I did all that
    And may I say, not in a shy way,
    "Oh, no, oh, no, not me, I did it my way"

    For what is a man, what has he got?
    If not himself, then he has naught
    To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels
    The record shows I took the blows and did it my way!

    [instrumental]

    Yes, it was my way








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    « Reply #7 on: March 01, 2013, 08:06:38 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ethelred
    Quote from: Christopher67
    Everybody likes a Hollywood ending, right?

    No. On the contrary, a bishop in white dying as martyr in Rome (*), and many of us Catholics following his fate in our places, would be a more realistic and hence Catholic ending. Well, just like Our Lady foretold us in Fatima.

    (*) When this bishop in white should be Card. Ratzinger, well then he and we are lucky because this would be a good ending for a man who betrayed the Church a life long. But God is merciful and just at the same time.


    A very martyr-like bishop told us recently:
    Quote
    The Lord God says, “I don’t want you recreating the Church of the 1950s. I want My Church, which is going to stand against the world for Truth and is going to save souls, which is not going to put souls on the edge of the abyss, like the Church of the 1950s. I don’t want Hollywood Catholicism. I’ve had enough of it,”  says the Lord God.

    So if Hollywood Catholicism is coming back inside the Society, then, says the Lord God, “I am going to give the Society a shaking. I’m going to allow the Society to go through a shaking.”  That’s exactly what’s happening. I think it’s because the Lord God has had enough of wishy-washy, sentimental, chocolate Catholicism, and he doesn’t want any more of it.

    That’s not how the Church was built. The Church was built by martyrs being torn to pieces by the lions in the Colosseum in Rome. It wasn’t built by chocolate Catholics.
    Every morning in any of the Society’s houses, Prime is read, and part of the office of Prime is reading what’s called the Martyrology, which is the story of the martyrs. For each day of the year there are martyrs of that day, martyrs and saints, but a lot of them are martyrs, and you hear how these martyrs are torn to pieces, and the sufferings and torments that they all underwent simply because they would not renounce the Faith.

    That is what converted Rome.
    To see young girls, virgins, going through these torments and being torn to pieces and still happy, it blew these virile Romans’ minds, and eventually the virile Romans said, “OK, there’s got to be something here. What is it? Tell me about it.”   “Well, God is three in one, one in three. He died on the Cross.”  “Oh, it’s crazy, all that stuff.”  Then he goes back to the arena to watch the girls being torn to pieces. They’re still there, and there’s always more of them, and the Emperors smash down and they destroy all the Catholics, and then they come back again and they’re still there.

    So this old veteran of Roman wars, he says, “Hey, there’s got to be something here.”  He learns about the doctrine. He says, “This doctrine is noble. There’s something true about it.”  
    Then he studies the doctrine. “Old man, come to Mass. We’ll be an hour at the catacombs at such and such time.”  So he goes down and he attends Mass in the catacombs. “Oh, there’s something there.”  He’s a man. He’s not a woman, and it’s no use despising women when you watch how these girls behaved under the Roman emperor, getting torn to pieces. Eventually he submits. He says, “Yes, I admit,”  and he becomes a Catholic.

    The Roman Empire was converted. The Roman Empire was not converted by chocolate Catholics. It was converted by blood-and-guts Catholics, and what the Lord God wants in today’s apostasy is blood-and-guts Catholics. He needs some more martyrs. He needs another crop of martyrs to spill their blood. There were a lot of martyrs in the Communist countries, and surely there’s going to be another bunch of martyrs. I don't know but it’s very possible, very probable.

    (Section V of Bishop Williamson's Conference in Bristol, England, 22–24 June 2012)


    I didn't like reading this. That's how I know it's good. May the Lord have mercy on us. Blessed Mother, lend to us your Fortitude!!!


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    I didn't like reading this. That's how I know it's good. May the Lord have mercy on us. Blessed Mother, lend to us your Fortitude!!!




    Do you mind explaining what it was about it that you didn't like?  

    There may be readers, including me, who can learn something from your
    observations.  

    In retrospect, what is particularly good that you now appreciate????


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