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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2014, 06:50:19 PM »
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  • Oh boy... really, I don't know how much longer this charade can continue. I'll be surprised if this goes seemingly unpunished.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    Benedict XVI plans to concelebrate the canonization mass with Francis!
    « Reply #2 on: April 26, 2014, 06:55:20 PM »
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  • Is Hans Kung unavailable?
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

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    Benedict XVI plans to concelebrate the canonization mass with Francis!
    « Reply #3 on: April 26, 2014, 06:56:35 PM »
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  • http://www.zenit.org/it/articles/benedetto-xvi-concelebrera-con-francesco-la-messa-delle-canonizzazioni-dei-due-papi

    Quote from: my quick translation
    Benedict XVI will concelebrate with Francis the Mass of the Canonization of the two Popes.

    Fr. Federico Lombardi announced: "The emeritus Pope will be with the cardinals and bishops on the right of the parvis and we will all be glad to have his presence."

    Vatican City, 26 April 2014 (Zenit.org) | 161 hits

    It is official: Benedict XVI will concelebrate with Pope Francis tomorrow, in the plaza of Saint Peters, the Canonization Mass of the two Popes. The announcement, long-awaited by journalists and the faithful, was given by the director of the Vatican News Office, father Federico Lombardi, at the beginning of the today's briefing in the Vatican News Office, on the vigil of tomorrow's event for the Church of the world.

    "The emeritus Pope Benedict XVI," Fr. Lombardi said, "accepted the invitation and comunicated to Pope Francis that he will be present tomorrow morning at the celebration and that he will concelebrate." Thus, he specified, Benedict "will also be co-celebrant, which is not to say that he will go to the altar."

    "Probably," the Vatican spokesman continued, "Cardinals Sodano and Re, and then Cardinal Dziwisz, Cardinal Vallini and the bishop of Bergamo, will be at the altar. The emeritus Pope, however, stays with the cardinals and bishops on the left of the parvis and we will all be glad to have his presence."
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    Benedict XVI plans to concelebrate the canonization mass with Francis!
    « Reply #4 on: April 26, 2014, 06:58:47 PM »
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  • As I said on CI back in March....




    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/10662503/Former-pope-Benedict-denies-he-was-forced-to-resign-in-rare-statement.html



    "Almost a year to the day since his historic resignation, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI has denied that he came under pressure within the Vatican to give up the job.

    In a rare public statement, the 86-year-old former pontiff insisted that he had freely taken the decision to become the first Pope since the Middle Ages to resign the seat of St Peter, in a move that shocked the Catholic Church and made headlines around the world.

    There was intense speculation that his resignation was prompted by deep dismay over a scandal in which his butler stole confidential Vatican docuмents which were leaked to the press and revealed corruption, nepotism and mud-slinging at the heart of the Holy See.

    "There isn't the slightest doubt about the validity of my resignation from the Petrine ministry," Benedict wrote in a letter to La Stampa, an Italian daily, in reply to questions by the newspaper’s Vatican correspondent.

    It was on Feb 28 last year that Benedict left the Vatican for the last time as Pope and was flown in a white Italian air force helicopter to Castel Gandolfo, a papal summer residence outside Rome, where he lived for a few months before returning to a life of seclusion inside the tiny city state.

    Benedict also addressed an argument put forward recently by a prominent Catholic writer that he had not in fact resigned of his own volition and that he therefore technically remained Pope, meaning that the election of Pope Francis last March was invalid.

    Antonio Socci, an Italian journalist and commentator on Catholic issues, suggested recently in Libero, a conservative Italian newspaper, that Benedict was persuaded to resign by a faction of cardinals who were opposed to him.

    "The only condition for the validity is the full freedom of the decision. Speculation about its invalidity is simply absurd,” Benedict wrote in his letter.

    His unprecedented decision to resign – which he announced in Latin during an obscure Vatican gathering on Feb 11 – pitched the Holy See into unchartered waters.

    It raised questions about how the Vatican would deal with a retired Pope, where he would live, how he would be addressed and what he would wear, amid concerns that Benedict could become a sort of shadow Pope and a lightning rod for dissatisfaction with his successor.

    In his letter, Benedict defended his decision to continue wearing the white cassock and white skull cap of the papacy, saying that it should not be interpreted as a sign that he wanted to still be regarded as the Pope.

    “I continue to wear the white cassock and kept the name Benedict for purely practical reasons. At the moment of my resignation there were no other clothes available.“In any case, I wear the white cassock in a visibly different way to how the Pope wears it. “This is another case of completely unfounded speculations being made,” he wrote.

    Benedict has rarely been seen in public since his resignation, but made an exception last Saturday when he turned up in St Peter’s Basilica for a ceremony in which Pope Francis appointed 19 new cardinals, including Vincent Nichols, the Archbishop of Westminster.

    The former Pope joined cardinals clad in vivid scarlet cassocks in the front row of the basilica. He embraced Pope Francis at the start of the ceremony.

    Archbishop Nichols said he did not think it was particularly unusual that the Pope Emeritus had attended the ceremony.

    “He's doing exactly what he said he would, which is devoting himself to praying for the Church and living a life of prayerful seclusion,” the Archbishop said during a press conference at the Venerable English College in Rome, a 650-year-old seminary for priests from England and Wales, on Monday, two days after he was made a cardinal.

    He said he thought Benedict’s public appearances would remain rare but that he would probably take part in a ceremony in April in which two former popes, John Paul II and John XXIII, will be made saints.

    Benedict lives in a former convent within the walls of the Vatican, spending his days praying, reading, caring for his pet cats, walking in a small garden and playing the piano.

    Earlier this month Father Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman, said that Benedict’s decision to resign had been "a great act of government that affected the life of the Church".

    He said the ex-pontiff “lives discreetly without a public life, but that does not mean his is an isolated life. He really gives an impression of great spiritual serenity."


    Commentary:

    1) So an interview granted allegedly to reassure the Catholic world about the validity of his resignation (and therefore the legitimacy of Francis' papacy) responds to concerns about Cardinal Ratzinger retaining the white cassock, skull cap, and the name Benedict XVI with, "there were no other clothes available?"

    2) As John Lane stated on his website, Rome is a funny place to experience a shortage of clerical attire (what, with Gammarelli's all of 300 yards from the Vatican).

    3) And apparently a year later, there are still no black cassocks to be found in the Vatican.

    4) John Lane also observed that apparently there are no other names available either!

    5) Like him, I never put much stock into the "forced resignation" idea (and am still not sure that I do, but the ineptitude of Cardinal Ratzinger's answer is shocking and curious).

    6) More curious than this, per the article, is that the only two times Cardinal Ratzinger/Pope BXVI appears in public since the resignation (i.e., The installation of 19 cardinals; the forthcoming canonization of JPII) are public acts of the Church which only a real Pope could validly execute/promulgate.  

    7) Perhaps I am reading too much into that last one, but the insufficiency of his answers about the white cassock/skull cap, and the retention of the name Benedict, almost beg the reader to wonder all the more.

    8) But even if indulging this line of thought proved to be true, at the end of the day it doesn't get us very far: The immediate relief felt at being able to write off Francis as a fraud and scandal is quickly dashed by recalling that BXVI was just a more conservative modernist, and things would only revert back to him.

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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  • Quote from: Charlemagne
    Is Hans Kung unavailable?
    See my translation of the article above. It lists those who were available. I only know of Sodano from that list.
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    1) So an interview granted allegedly to reassure the Catholic world about the validity of his resignation (and therefore the legitimacy of Francis' papacy) responds to concerns about Cardinal Ratzinger retaining the white cassock, skull cap, and the name Benedict XVI with, "there were no other clothes available?"

    2) As John Lane stated on his website, Rome is a funny place to experience a shortage of clerical attire (what, with Gammarelli's all of 300 yards from the Vatican).

    3) And apparently a year later, there are still no black cassocks to be found in the Vatican.

    4) John Lane also observed that apparently there are no other names available either!

    5) Like him, I never put much stock into the "forced resignation" idea (and am still not sure that I do, but the ineptitude of Cardinal Ratzinger's answer is shocking and curious).

    6) More curious than this, per the article, is that the only two times Cardinal Ratzinger/Pope BXVI appears in public since the resignation (i.e., The installation of 19 cardinals; the forthcoming canonization of JPII) are public acts of the Church which only a real Pope could validly execute/promulgate.  

    7) Perhaps I am reading too much into that last one, but the insufficiency of his answers about the white cassock/skull cap, and the retention of the name Benedict, almost beg the reader to wonder all the more.

    8) But even if indulging this line of thought proved to be true, at the end of the day it doesn't get us very far: The immediate relief felt at being able to write off Francis as a fraud and scandal is quickly dashed by recalling that BXVI was just a more conservative modernist, and things would only revert back to him.
    This divided Modernist house won't stand much longer, Deo gratias!

    Our Lady, Queen of Victories and Terror of Modernists, give us a good pope!
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    « Reply #7 on: April 26, 2014, 08:44:45 PM »
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  • What a *&^%$&#(#( circus.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    « Reply #8 on: April 26, 2014, 08:49:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    Oh boy... really, I don't know how much longer this charade can continue. I'll be surprised if this goes seemingly unpunished.


    I don't think it can go unpunished. This event will go down in infamy until the consummation of the world

    Indeed I am at a loss for words to describe the malevolent evil that is about to be unleashed into the world.

    I'm going to sleep now in order to wake up and watch it for as long as I can stand to look.

    I will do this because it is Church history and I am a member of the Church.

    I will do it because antichrist will curse the world in the Name of the True God, and I want to renew my baptismal promises and renounce satan and all his pomps and works while this satanic pomp and work is taking place.

    I believe that God expects me to witness the thing, just as He would have expected me to be with Him at the foot of the Cross 2000 years ago, had I lived then.

    While it happens I will repeat these prayers:

    Jube, Dominie, benedicere.

    Priest: What do you ask of the Church of God?   
    Priest: Quid petis ab Ecclesia Dei?

    Solider of Christ: Sponsor/Catechumen: Faith.   
    Miles Christi: Fidem.

    Priest: What does Faith offer you?   
    Priest: Fides, quid tibi præstat?

    Solider of Christ: Life everlasting.   
    Miles Christi: Vitam æternam.

    Priest: If then you desire to enter into life, keep the commandments. ‘Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart and with thy whole soul and with thy whole mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.'
    Priest: Si igitur vis ad vitam ingredi, serva mandata. Diligis Dominum Deum tuum ex toto corde tuo, et ex tota anima tua, et ex tota mente tua, et proximum tuum sicut teipsum.

    Priest: Do you renounce Satan?   
    Priest: Abrenuntias Satanæ?

    Soldier of Christ: I do renounce him.   
    Miles Christi: Abrenuntio.

    Priest: And all of his works?   
    Priest: Et omnibus operibus eius?

    Soldier of Christ: I do renounce him.   
    Miles Christi: Abrenuntio.

    Priest: And all his pomps?   
    Priest: Et omnibus pompis eius?

    Soldier of Christ: I do renounce him.
    Miles Christi: Abrenuntio.

    Priest: Credis in Deum Patrem omnipotentem, creatorem cæli et terram?

    Miles Christi: Credo.

    Priest: Credis in Iesum Christum, Filium eius unicuм, Dominum nostrum, natum, et passum?

    Miles Christi: Credo.

    Priest: Credis et in Spiritum sanctum, sanctam Ecclesiam catholicam, Sanctorum communionem, remissionem peccatorum, carnis resurrectionem, et vitam æternam?

    Miles Christi: Credo.
     

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    « Reply #9 on: April 26, 2014, 08:57:13 PM »
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  • Sorry, I can NOT get on board with equating watching these pseudo-canonizations with standing at the foot of the Cross at the Crucifixion.

    No, siree.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Benedict XVI plans to concelebrate the canonization mass with Francis!
    « Reply #10 on: April 26, 2014, 09:24:19 PM »
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  • If I was a modern Roman, I would make sure that this is my vacation time,
    and would get heck out of town. FAR AWAY.


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    « Reply #11 on: April 26, 2014, 10:00:57 PM »
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  • If anyone wants to stay up and watch it at 3am, be my guest.

    http://2popesaints.org/EN/Media

     :barf:
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #12 on: April 26, 2014, 11:11:36 PM »
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  • I am getting out of Dodge.

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  • I am not making a prediction, but if one was going to destroy Rome today would seem like a good day to do it.  Every man and his dog must be there for this ceremony.

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    « Reply #14 on: April 27, 2014, 12:36:01 AM »
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  • For your good reading, who's who regarding the 'canonizations'

    I am heading for the sack for now, what is going to happen, is
    going to happened.

    I have to worry now about a sudden storm moving into my area
    tonight.

    http://www.traditioninaction.org/bev/166bev04_28_2014.htm