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... Bp. Fellay, who was raised traditional Catholic...

Was he?  I heard he went to a Novus Ordo school.  Didn't he say in some interview on Gloria TV that he had the choice and finally he chose Tradition?  (I seem to recall hearing something along these lines, but maybe someone else knows for sure?)  Maybe he was raised totally traditional - but could someone confirm this?
(not saying it might mean he was an infiltrator, but just confirming or wondering if he was really "raised Traditional Catholic")

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What is sad is that Fellay and Krah will have stolen hundreds of millions of dollars worth of property and other assets given to them by the SSPX faithful over the decades. It is the heist of the century. Funny that no one seems to be talking about this fact.

While it is certainly a sad turn of events, what would you have people say?  Or better yet, what would you have them do?  The society that everyone took to be, and most still take to be the Catholic Church stole the churches of the entire world.  That does not make all other thievery unimportant, but it does put things into perspective.  I tend to think we have had these things taken because we have secretly cherished an inordinate affection for them which is detrimental to our spiritual well-being.  God's permitting them to be taken, by whatever means, may prove to be an immense blessing.  Only time will tell.

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We have been robbed.

I agree, but that is not what a court would call it.  Still, it is the principle involved that matters and I agree with you that it is wrong.

IMO, we were stripped of the material trappings of the Holy Faith because we had completely lost touch with the spirit that animates them and which is the sole raison d'etre of all the external actions.  I have been around for a while and been blessed to visit many chapels all over the world.  Despite a good deal of sincerity, fidelity, and apparent piety, Traddieland as a whole does not strike me as all that different from the pre-V2 Church.  That is neither a condemnation nor a compliment.  What I mean is this: it seems as if we are far too concerned about the externals and the material elements of piety rather than true, solid piety itself.  Further (IMO), the reason Traddieland keeps going through these material purgations is we have yet to learn the original lesson: it is supernatural faith, hope, and charity that matter and all the trappings are merely means to that sublime, spiritual end.  "Seek ye first..."  When these things keep being taken, should we not at least pause to ask: are we truly seeking first things first, or is that just what we want to believe?  It is my belief that we will not see any kind of true, healthy, rightly-ordered restoration until we learn and fully accept that when the letter holds the primary place, it kills; it can only play its subordinate and indirectly life-giving role when it is ordered to and animated by the spirit, which alone gives life.

I admit that, despite my wordiness, I have not made my point as clearly as I would have hoped.  Even if I have, I don't know how good or useful it might be to others.  Basically, I think that, despite the decades of heartache, disappointment and betrayal, we still have our priorities backward, at least to some extent.  It is entirely possible that building brick houses during our sojourn in the desert was, in fact, the wrong approach all along.  Then again, maybe it was right?  I cannot say.  How many people even question our response to the Mass and churches being taken away?  I don't know what the right response should have been or is, but God allowed what He did for a reason.  In the days of the OT, He caused worship to cease precisely because He was tired of receiving mere lip-service from men whose hearts were far from Him.  When their hearts had changed, He restored the worship.  Have our hearts changed?  Was our adherence to (the material elements of) true worship in the face of its having been removed His will, or was it our own?  I am not pretending to answer such questions; I only ask them, knowing that the answers are far beyond my limited ability and role.  I don't even know if the answers to such questions would serve any good purpose at this point.  God alone knows; trust in Him, not in men.

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I wish there was something more concrete from +W himself, but assuming...

Is there an official docuмent yet? Because a good source says that the 10 days do not run out today but on (the next) Friday.

However, Bp Fellay wants Bishop Williamson out of the Society at any price. It looks like he may seem to succeed.

The poor Bp Fellay is living in a world of dreams. He is a liberal. Heaven help him -- and us. God bless Bishop Williamson!

 The announcement of Bp. Williamson's expulsion will surely be handled
by Menzingen with the utmost political consideration.

  They will want to avoid any hint of making him a martyr.

  BTW, If he's leaving Wimbledon, I think we should provide him with armed body-guards.

Dr Steinhart was a very old-school man and expert in human nature. When the young Bernard Fellay came to the SSPX, Dr. Steinhart met him and was shocked. When in 1994 Bishop Fellay was elected superior general, Dr Steinhart nearly passed out...


What an irony: The man who was lastly called a bishop by Swiss capital, has now destroyed the SSPX.
Let's not be illusory: Unfortunately the SSPX is dead!

It is most noteworthy that +Williamson isn't putting out any announcements.