Author Topic: Behold Williamson is Officially Expelled, Pending Appeal (Read 27127 times)

Ferdinand · « **Reply #45 on:** October 15, 2012, 03:19:02 PM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

While it is possible that Bp Fellay is merely deluded, an egomaniac, etc., is it not also possible that he is simply doing the job that was assigned to him by his true masters? No, I cannot prove anything, but it is unwise to ignore the possibility that he is merely controlling the opposition and always has been. For my money, it is an absolute given that those who wrought the havoc that led us into the desert also followed us there and sought to gain control of the resistance from the very beginning. If Bp Fellay is not a conscious agent, it seems to be morally certain that some of those who influence him are.

We shall see...

Agreed... the story may be a little darker than merely a liberal in fantasy land.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #46 on:** October 15, 2012, 03:24:49 PM »

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Ok, now. So, Mgr W is being expelled. Hm.... So who is going to oust him out physically? By what means will BF implement his threat? I believe that our priests here in the UK are sympathetic to our Mgr W so can they not protect His Lordship? We know that he has a huge following, not just here in the UK, but around the world. My question is: is it really possible for one bishop to oust another? OK, so BF was voted in as GS, but can he really expel Mgr W? Really??? After all, as has been mentioned before, Mgr W was the first chosen of the four bishops by our founder, Mgr Lefebvre and that MUST count for something.

Good questions. I think poor Fr. Morgan may be in for some sleepness nights.

MiserereMeiDeus · « **Reply #47 on:** October 15, 2012, 03:53:28 PM »

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant

To what address could cards be sent to the Bishop?

Good question. If he has in fact been expelled, as seems all too likely, the St. George's House address won't be good any longer. Perhaps the post office will forward his mail?

Kazimierz · « **Reply #48 on:** October 15, 2012, 05:05:24 PM »

Take heart good people. I spoke with His Excellency this morning.

His Excellency, despite everything, is doing well. No mention was made as to the hows, and whens and ifs of His Grace's expulsion. His Grace is thankful for all the support and prayers offered up for him.

I cannot add anything to the correspondence question, apart from the email at dinoscopus.

Best thing to do is to keep praying for His Grace and for one another.

Incredulous · « **Reply #49 on:** October 15, 2012, 05:34:20 PM »

Gladius said:

"... is it not also possible that he is simply doing the job that was assigned to him by his true masters? "

Is this who you're referring to?

cantatedomino · « **Reply #50 on:** October 15, 2012, 05:38:43 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

I wish there was something more concrete from +W himself, but assuming he's been expelled, I must say this is a sad day for the SSPX.

It marks another red-letter day in its ever-progressing downfall.

His exclusion from the GC and his expulsion - if it is real - are signs from God.

God is walking in the very very late afternoon air of the dying Earth.

Remember back in the early 2000's when the Church sex scandal hit the news? It was a mercy from God because there could no longer be any doubt. The mask was torn off.

Same here. This is a mercy from God. There can no longer be any doubt. The mask is torn off.

What is left for us now is to make the right choices.

guitarplucker · « **Reply #51 on:** October 15, 2012, 06:27:03 PM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

While it is possible that Bp Fellay is merely deluded, an egomaniac, etc., is it not also possible that he is simply doing the job that was assigned to him by his true masters? No, I cannot prove anything, but it is unwise to ignore the possibility that he is merely controlling the opposition and always has been. For my money, it is an absolute given that those who wrought the havoc that led us into the desert also followed us there and sought to gain control of the resistance from the very beginning. If Bp Fellay is not a conscious agent, it seems to be morally certain that some of those who influence him are.

We shall see...

I think it's a given that he's an infiltrator, and not some confused liberal.

How can you become the de factor leader of a group whose defining characteristics include antagonism to modernism, Jews, and Vatican II and possess none of those characteristics yourself?

Elizabeth · « **Reply #52 on:** October 15, 2012, 06:51:04 PM »

Quote from: guitarplucker

Quote from: gladius_veritatis
While it is possible that Bp Fellay is merely deluded, an egomaniac, etc., is it not also possible that he is simply doing the job that was assigned to him by his true masters? No, I cannot prove anything, but it is unwise to ignore the possibility that he is merely controlling the opposition and always has been. For my money, it is an absolute given that those who wrought the havoc that led us into the desert also followed us there and sought to gain control of the resistance from the very beginning. If Bp Fellay is not a conscious agent, it seems to be morally certain that some of those who influence him are.

We shall see...

I think it's a given that he's an infiltrator, and not some confused liberal.

Fr. Chazal, who joined the SSPX seminary at the age of 17, spent 24 years in the Society,who

was expelled by him on his patron saint's day, was asked if this was the case and he said "No" to

the infiltration, mason agent etc. nonsense.

Fr. Chazal's word is good enough for me.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #53 on:** October 15, 2012, 07:05:53 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

Quote from: guitarplucker
Quote from: gladius_veritatis
While it is possible that Bp Fellay is merely deluded, an egomaniac, etc., is it not also possible that he is simply doing the job that was assigned to him by his true masters? No, I cannot prove anything, but it is unwise to ignore the possibility that he is merely controlling the opposition and always has been. For my money, it is an absolute given that those who wrought the havoc that led us into the desert also followed us there and sought to gain control of the resistance from the very beginning. If Bp Fellay is not a conscious agent, it seems to be morally certain that some of those who influence him are.

We shall see...

I think it's a given that he's an infiltrator, and not some confused liberal.

Fr. Chazal, who joined the SSPX seminary at the age of 17, spent 24 years in the Society,who

was expelled by him on his patron saint's day, was asked if this was the case and he said "No" to

the infiltration, mason agent etc. nonsense.

Fr. Chazal's word is good enough for me.

He switched sides Elizabeth. That's why he's shaking hands with modernists and hiring characters like the East German Zionist, and saying things like "what was condemned in the Council was not of the Council"

Incredulous · « **Reply #54 on:** October 15, 2012, 07:54:31 PM »

Elizabeth said:

Fr. Chazal, who joined the SSPX seminary at the age of 17, spent 24 years in the Society,who

was expelled by him on his patron saint's day, was asked if this was the case and he said "No" to

the infiltration, mason agent etc. nonsense.

Fr. Chazal's word is good enough for me.

I think Father Chazal was being charitable and refused to speculate.

However, we're dealing with reality and there has to be an explanation?

Could it be "mental illness" ... that's the Pope's excuse.
According to Bp. Williamson, its a side effect of modernism.

I believe it was Father Meramo who accused Bp. Fellay of coming under the spell of the false mystic, Madamme Germaine Rossiniere. She's docuмented.

How about the ever common, ʝʊdɛօ-masonic blackmail ?

Sigismund · « **Reply #55 on:** October 15, 2012, 08:53:05 PM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

Bishop Fellay has reached a new low. What a dictator.

This is sad news. I doubt +Williamson will appeal, he probably wanted to be expelled. The question is, what will he do from here? Start his own Traditional group, I hope.

I don't think it is sad at all. It may mean a whole new life for Bishop Williamson.

Sigismund · « **Reply #56 on:** October 15, 2012, 08:57:55 PM »

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Ok, now. So, Mgr W is being expelled. Hm.... So who is going to oust him out physically? By what means will BF implement his threat? I believe that our priests here in the UK are sympathetic to our Mgr W so can they not protect His Lordship? We know that he has a huge following, not just here in the UK, but around the world. My question is: is it really possible for one bishop to oust another? OK, so BF was voted in as GS, but can he really expel Mgr W? Really??? After all, as has been mentioned before, Mgr W was the first chosen of the four bishops by our founder, Mgr Lefebvre and that MUST count for something.

The next question is... will we all be 'excommunicated' by BF???? But, is that not ridiculous? A person must have done something really serious to be excommunicated, such as being a freemason, or some such thing. In any case, in today's modern church, you can be anything and still belong to 'it'. Furthermore, I am certain that BF has no authority to excommunicate anyone. He and his 'followers' (the modernist superiors) can stop any of the faithful they want from actually entering one of the SSPX churches, and even denying them the sacraments, but that is going far beyond what would happen in former days, I mean prior to VII. Oh, sad days, what has happened to our SSPX? The devil never sleeps.

And the bishop doing the excommunicating has to have jurisdiction.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #57 on:** October 15, 2012, 09:05:23 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
Bishop Fellay has reached a new low. What a dictator.

This is sad news. I doubt +Williamson will appeal, he probably wanted to be expelled. The question is, what will he do from here? Start his own Traditional group, I hope.

I don't think it is sad at all. It may mean a whole new life for Bishop Williamson.

It is sad in a way, because it means that the downfall of the SSPX is continuing, and the Society will never be the same again.

PAT317 · « **Reply #58 on:** October 15, 2012, 09:16:21 PM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

Quote from: Sigismund
Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

This is sad news. I doubt +Williamson will appeal, he probably wanted to be expelled. The question is, what will he do from here? Start his own Traditional group, I hope.

I don't think it is sad at all. It may mean a whole new life for Bishop Williamson.

It is sad in a way, because it means that the downfall of the SSPX is continuing, and the Society will never be the same again.

I agree. Even when I've read about Archbishop Lefebvre retiring from the Holy Ghost Fathers, to me it was sad, and frustrating. It was terrible, the downfall of so many great orders in the aftermath of Vatican II, and good priests & bishops being unable to stop it. Plus, +BW has given so much of his life and talents to the SSPX. There are many aspects to it that are tragic.

But I can see what others mean when they say it's good news. Since the downfall of the SSPX seems to be a runaway train - no stopping it - then it is good news for the Resistance that there will be a bishop with them. "It may mean a whole new life for Bishop Williamson." Kinda like the new life +AL started when he founded the SSPX in the first place. God writes straight with crooked lines.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #59 on:** October 15, 2012, 09:20:30 PM »

Quote from: PAT317

Even when I've read about Archbishop Lefebvre retiring from the Holy Ghost Fathers, to me it was sad, and frustrating. It was terrible, the downfall of so many great orders in the aftermath of Vatican II, and good priests & bishops being unable to stop it.

Yes, I was frustrated when I first read that as well. A good group that the liberals took over.

But as you said, it turned out to be for the best, because we all know what happened next. :) Let's hope something similar happens with Bishop Williamson.