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Before They Went Silent
« on: February 13, 2019, 10:26:03 PM »
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  • Fr. Matthew Clifton (SSPX) said:

    "The terrible divisions which now undermine our Society are not the fruit of rebellion and disobedience, but clearly are the result of a seismic change of principle on the part of our Superiors in the relation to Rome.  Abandoning the security and prudence of the position adopted by the Society at the last meeting of the General Chapter (2006), namely of refusing any practical agreement with the Roman authorities without there being any doctrinal resolution of the errors of the Second Vatican Council, has proved to be a disaster.  Consequently, the Society which was always united and strong is now fractured and weakened – brother is turning against brother.  No convincing argument has been presented as a justification for such a fundamental shift in position – the Holy Father has not altered in any way whatsoever his insistence upon the hermeneutic of continuity in relation to Tradition and the teachings of the last Council.  And yet, we are simply meant to accept the contrary. 

    This approach could not but produce the profound malaise that now affects our Society.  Additionally, the misuse of secrecy on such a grand scale by our current Superiors, accompanied by privileging a small group of trusted supports of the new policy towards Rome, has served to exacerbate this painful situation even further. 

    Hence, it is abundantly clear to me that those who truly bear responsibility for the current storm are not those who have attempted to preserve our Society’s firmness and unambiguous profession of the Catholic Faith in relation to the Conciliar authorities but those who chose to abandon the wisdom of insisting upon a real conversion on the part of Modernist Rome before envisaging a practical agreement."


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    Re: Before They Went Silent
    « Reply #1 on: February 13, 2019, 10:32:43 PM »
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  • Bishop de Galarreta (SSPX): 

    "Moreover, if we make an agreement we will lose freedom of speech, we must mute our public criticism of the facts, authorities and even some texts of the Council and the post-conciliar magisterium."


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    Re: Before They Went Silent
    « Reply #2 on: February 13, 2019, 10:39:20 PM »
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  • 37 Priests of the French District (SSPX):

    "To Bishop Bernard Fellay 

    Your Excellency, 

    As you wrote it recently: "the links which unite us are essentially supernatural". However, you rightly reminded us that the requirements of nature must nevertheless not be forgotten. "Grace does not destroy nature". Among these requirements, there is truthfulness. Yet, these last months, we notice that a part of the problems with which we were confronted come from a grave negligence to this virtue (truthfulness). 

    Ten years ago, as Bishop Tissier de Mallerais, you said: 
    "Never shall I agree to say: "in the Council, if we interpret it well, if we make it match with Tradition, we could find an acceptable sense." Never shall I agree to say that. That would be a lie; it is not allowed to tell a lie, even if it was a question of saving the Church." (Gastines, September 16th, 2012). 

    But since then, you changed: 
    "The whole Tradition of the catholic faith has to be the criterion and the guide to understand the teachings of the Vatican II Council, which in its turn enlightens certain aspects of the life and the doctrine of the Church, implicitly present in her, not formulated yet. The assertions of the Vatican II Council and of the Papal Magistery relative to the relation between the Roman Catholic Church and the non-Catholic and Christian confessions must be understood in the light of the whole Tradition." (St-Joseph-des-Carmes, June 5th, 2012)."

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    Re: Before They Went Silent
    « Reply #3 on: February 13, 2019, 10:45:47 PM »
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  • Letter of the 7 French SSPX Deans (and the religious superiors of the Transfiguration Monastery, the Capuchins of Morgon, anf the Benedictines of Bellaigue):

    "In light of these principles appears the real scope of the Roman document. Persevering in the disastrous line of Vatican II, the Roman authorities simply want to deprive you of the extraordinary form of marriage by denying the state of necessity. This document therefore requires you to appeal to a diocesan priest for your marriages, not leaving the priests of the SSPX more than the possibility of celebrating the subsequent Mass. The Ecclesia Dei Commission foresees that, whenever possible , the Bishop will delegate a priest of the Diocese to attend marriages (or a priest of another ecclesiastical circumscription with due licenses), receiving the consent Of the spouses during the celebration of the marriage which, in the liturgy of the Vetus Ordo, takes place at the beginning of the Holy Mass. This is celebrated later by a priest of the Fraternity.

    It is only " where it is not possible that there are priests of the Diocese who can receive the consent of the parties, the Ordinary can directly grant the necessary powers to a priest of the Fraternity." In other words, it is only and only if there is a case of necessity - of which we ignore nature, since it is no longer a question of the serious damage that the liberal spirit causes to the Catholic faith - that the bishop can give the delegation to a priest Of the FSSPX. All other marriage celebrated by a priest of the SSPX without explicit delegation of the Ordinary, will continue to be considered invalid by the current holders of the supreme authority.

    In addition to the fact that this decision is both unjust and void, it makes a new violation of the spirit of law: the Ecclesia Dei commission allowed here what even the new code of canon law prohibited, namely, to place under the control of the Ordinary the form Extraordinary of marriage, and this at the expense of the natural right to marriage."SSPX 

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    Re: Before They Went Silent
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  • Letter of Support to the 7 French Deans of the SSPX from Fr. Dennis Puga (SSPX):

    Paris, 7 May, 2017
    It is with attention that I read your “Letter of the Deans” which was made public on May 7th. As a district priest, I would like to sincerely thank you for such a clear and strong declaration, which I am sure will have the effect of reassuring our faithful in the certainty of always finding among the priests of our beloved Society of Saint Pius X the assistance necessary to contract and celebrate their marriage in the spirit of the fight led by Archbishop Lefebvre, that is to say, in a spirit of unfailing fidelity to the teaching of the Church.
    The decision of Pope Francis, made public by the Ecclesia Dei Commission last April, and already widely commented on in the media, caused great concern among the faithful; they were afraid that we would now ask them to rely on the decision of the local bishops to validly and lawfully be able to exchange the matrimonial consent according to the traditional rite.
    The true, precise, faithful and canonically well-argued argument of your letter will reassure and appease them. Already, I have received testimonies. You have acted as true pastors who are concerned about the good and the protection of the souls that God has entrusted to you. In the present situation, speaking loudly, strongly and without hesitation has become more necessary than ever; you have done so, and we sincerely thank you for it.
    I particularly appreciated the conclusion of your letter in which you emphasize that this first step towards the granting of a personal prelature, which is supposed to let us remain as we are, paradoxically consists in a desire to subject the marriages of our faithful to ordinaries who have no objections against the deleterious teachings and the disastrous decisions of Pope Francis on the sanctity of marriage.
    I can assure you that many confreres of the district, with whom I have already had the opportunity to talk, share in this a feeling of gratitude. As one of them told me : “It is a beautiful text, clear and comforting by such vigor that we thought we would never again be hearing.”
    May the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to which Monsignor Lefebvre has consecrated the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X, be our help. May Our Lord keep you and protect you.
    Fr. Denis Puga


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    Re: Before They Went Silent
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  • Bishop Tissier de Mallerais:

    "The irregularity is not ours. It is that of Rome. A Modernist Rome. A Liberal Rome that has renounced Christ the King. A Rome that had been condemned in advance by all Popes up until the eve of the [Second Vatican] Council. On the other hand, the experience of the priestly societies that have joined current Rome is that all, one after the other, including Campos and the Good Shepherd Institute, have been constrained to accept the Vatican II Council. And we know what has become of Bp. Rifan, of Campos, who now has no objection to celebrating the new mass and who has forbidden his priests from criticizing the Council!"

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    Re: Before They Went Silent
    « Reply #6 on: February 14, 2019, 06:36:27 AM »
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  • These several examples suffice to clearly demonstrate that not only is the current position of the SSPX vis-a-vis Rome a flagrant contradiction to its own former position, and give the lie to the Society being accepted by modernist Rome “as we are” (“as we have become” would be much more honest), but also that sustained Resistance to conciliarism is no more possible in the current environment of the SSPX than it is in the FSSP, as evinced by the silence of those former critics who have traded their silence for continued membership in a reconstructed Society brought to heel by its treacherous leaders.

    Let this “weakening process” serve as a lesson to those who have eyes to see:

    You are being led by the nose straight into conciliar modernism.

    A rhetorical question serves to drive home the point:

    “Do you find yourself today questioning whether certain conciliar errors aren’t really just poor interpretations after all?”

    En garde!

    You too are in the process of being remade!

    As go the priests, so go the faithful.

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    Re: Before They Went Silent
    « Reply #7 on: February 14, 2019, 07:34:07 AM »
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  • Great quotes and you're right - those who forget the past, will be corrupted in the future.  And in this case, we're talking about the very near-term past (like 3 yrs ago).  But the world is so used to politicians lying to us constantly that when our religious leaders do it, the normal response of outrage and scandal is low because we've been de-sensitized to hypocrisy.  Such is life in the 21st century... 


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    Re: Before They Went Silent
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  • Amen, Pax.

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    Re: Before They Went Silent
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  • These several examples suffice to clearly demonstrate that not only is the current position of the SSPX vis-a-vis Rome a flagrant contradiction to its own former position, and give the lie to the Society being accepted by modernist Rome “as we are” (“as we have become” would be much more honest), but also that sustained Resistance to conciliarism is no more possible in the current environment of the SSPX than it is in the FSSP, as evinced by the silence of those former critics who have traded their silence for continued membership in a reconstructed Society brought to heel by its treacherous leaders.

    Let this “weakening process” serve as a lesson to those who have eyes to see:

    You are being led by the nose straight into conciliar modernism.

    A rhetorical question serves to drive home the point:

    “Do you find yourself today questioning whether certain conciliar errors aren’t really just poor interpretations after all?”

    En garde!

    You too are in the process of being remade!

    As go the priests, so go the faithful.

    An example of the weakening process:

    About 5 years ago, a very intelligent female tertiary of Avrille translated into English Fr. Rioult's book The Impossible Reconciliation.

    We had been in private correspondence for some time, and she mentioned to me that she was considering moving to one of the American SSPX strongholds.

    I found that strange, and asked her about it, and she told me that she had friends and/or family there, and not to worry.

    A couple months later, she went quiet.

    I sent a couple follow-up emails and received no responses.

    On the final try, I received a response (which came about 7 months after she relocated to this destination).

    She told me that she sees SSPX priests every day: In the chapels; in the streets; in the restaurants.  She sees them pray their Rosary, pray their breviary, offer their Mass, and hear her confessions.  

    And that after seven months in this environment, she said, "I must now ask, with Fr Themann, 'resistance to what?'"

    And there it was.

    It was a psychological attack of the devil (most of his attacks are psychological: Recall the scholastic discipline of psychology was the study of the movements of the soul): She was socialized into capitulation:  

    Everything still seemed to be normal and traditional (and she started missing some of Bishop Fellay's earlier observations about Campos, like "they are crying out for all to hear that nothing has changed, except the more perceptive among them notice they speak more respectfully of Rome" and criticize Roman deviations much less -or not at all- "and slowly one get used to this new reality."

    And just like that, you have fallen.

    If this astute woman can fall, we all can fall.

    The faith is a prize, and those who do not pray to retain it will have it swindled from them by the devil.

    Which is all another way of saying that because your SSPX priests have gone soft on Vatican II, and no longer condemn it as they used to, YOU will go soft on Vatican II, and the day will come when you will wonder, "Was the old man (Archbishop Lefebvre) just overreacting?"

    When you catch yourself wondering that, know that the poison has started to work within you.

    Today your pacifist priests are in a transitional stage: They do not accept Vatican II, but neither do they oppose it.  They think to ignore it because our superiors tell them that "there are many other things they can be preaching about," and they all get the hint.

    But the next stage, which comes quickly (always in less than 10 years), has them dexterously searching for an hermeneutic to reconcile oil and water.

    Santayana.

     

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