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Barack O'Bama and the Sedevacantists
« on: August 11, 2019, 10:18:49 PM »
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  • I recall during O'bama's presidential campaign, it was discovered that the birth certificate he produced was dubious.

    It had certain evidence of tampering and fraud, and from this circumstance, the issue naturally arose: If Barack O'bama is not even a natural born American citizen, then he is not eligible for the office of the President of the United States.

    Then he goes on the win the election, takes office, passes laws, exercises authority, legislates, etc.

    There was a small fringe who nevertheless refused to recognize him as President for the aforementioned reason: One who is not a natural born citizen cannot be the President of the United States of America.

    Ergo, O'bama is an imposter and a usurper.

    However, to the rest of America, however distasteful we found the election of O'bama, we did not declare it invalid: He won the votes, took the office, and governed the country.

    We acknowledged him as our President (a "convalidation," of sorts, even from most of those who doubted his eligibility because of the citizenship requirement).

    The point regarding his eligibility was merely academic, at least to those living in the real world.

    Moreover, however odious were his actions as President, he continued to be President until and unless he was impeached (which of course, he never was).

    All that has been said above from the secular world of politics fits by a neat analogy the sedevacantist opinions regarding the conciliar and post-conciliar popes:

    Were they heretics ineligible for office?  

    Irrelevant, except as an academic point (and one which I do not concede): They took office, and we consented to their rule (at least 99.999999% of the Church, and 100% of the bishops and cardinals, did).

    Did they do things in office that should have disqualified them from that office?  

    Merely academic again: Those who could declare the fact of his deposition (i.e., that Christ had deposed the Pope, with the bishops and cardinals merely announcing that fact) have not done so.

    Francis continues therefore to be a Pope (despite the many reasons he should not be), ruling and running the Church right into the ground.

    Most people who live in the real world, and are not so deeply buried in the minutiae of the manuals, accept that, while a small fringe and irrelevant group deny and reject his authority based on a disputed (and in truth, misunderstood) academic point.

    Was America without a president the 8 years that O'Bama  usurped the office of President (if he did usurp it)?

    No more than the Church has been without a Pope since 1958.
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    Re: Barack O'Bama and the Sedevacantists
    « Reply #1 on: August 11, 2019, 10:23:33 PM »
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  • When this crisis is finally over it may very well happen that the acts of the Vatican II heads will be declared null and void. I can't say the same for Obama's executive orders.
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    Re: Barack O'Bama and the Sedevacantists
    « Reply #2 on: August 11, 2019, 10:25:56 PM »
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  • Isn’t that an anti-Pope?  So we’ve had an anti-President?  As you say, in practice, it makes no difference.  What’s done by both wicked men is done.

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    Re: Barack O'Bama and the Sedevacantists
    « Reply #3 on: August 11, 2019, 10:28:24 PM »
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  • When this crisis is finally over it may very well happen that the acts of the Vatican II heads will be declared null and void. I can't say the same for Obama's executive orders.

    I completely agree, but it will be retroactive, and it will regard acts, not persons.
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    Re: Barack O'Bama and the Sedevacantists
    « Reply #4 on: August 11, 2019, 10:41:37 PM »
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  • It's Obama, not O'bama. He's Kenyan, not Irish. 
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    Re: Barack O'Bama and the Sedevacantists
    « Reply #5 on: August 12, 2019, 04:46:32 AM »
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  • Are you sure he’s not “black Irish?”
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    Re: Barack O'Bama and the Sedevacantists
    « Reply #6 on: August 12, 2019, 05:13:01 AM »
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  • Barry Soetoro was Indonesia.  Wasn’t he adopted by Indonesian man?  Would that made him a citizen of Indonesia? Isn’t most of the country moslim?

    https://freedomoutpost.com/barack-hussein-obama-i-am-barry-soetoro-but-ive-never-used-another-alias/
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    Re: Barack O'Bama and the Sedevacantists
    « Reply #7 on: August 12, 2019, 05:23:46 AM »
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  • I understand that the State of Hawaii produced his birth certificate.


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    Re: Barack O'Bama and the Sedevacantists
    « Reply #8 on: August 12, 2019, 05:25:07 AM »
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  • Former agent, Paul Horner, in his new tell-all book “The Black House,” reveals what goes on inside the White House when the news cameras are turned off.
    In an interview with NBC News, Horner told Senior Political Analyst Tom Downey that he is one-hundred-percent positive that President Obama is not only gay, but a radical Muslim as well.
    “Everyone on the inside knows that Obama is gay and a Muslim, it is common knowledge,” Horner said. “I saw many men coming and going from Obama’s room, at all hours. I would say a good portion of the men, over fifty-percent, were Muslim.”  
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    Re: Barack O'Bama and the Sedevacantists
    « Reply #9 on: August 12, 2019, 05:27:52 AM »
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  • That birth certificate could be a forgery.  The fact is that he was adopted by Indonesian man and grew up in Indonesia which makes him an Indonesian; not American.  

    Former agent, Paul Horner, in his new tell-all book “The Black House,” reveals what goes on inside the White House when the news cameras are turned off.
    In an interview with NBC News, Horner told Senior Political Analyst Tom Downey that he is one-hundred-percent positive that President Obama is not only gay, but a radical Muslim as well.
    “Everyone on the inside knows that Obama is gay and a Muslim, it is common knowledge,” Horner said. “I saw many men coming and going from Obama’s room, at all hours. I would say a good portion of the men, over fifty-percent, were Muslim.”
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    Re: Barack O'Bama and the Sedevacantists
    « Reply #10 on: August 12, 2019, 05:30:18 AM »
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  • Is the Pope a homosexual?

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    Re: Barack O'Bama and the Sedevacantists
    « Reply #11 on: August 12, 2019, 08:16:27 AM »
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  • https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-gay-muslim-secret-service/

    Why would someone be both gay AND a radical Muslim? Is he that desperate to no longer have a head?

    Anyway, that's enough talking about Obama. Back to sedevacantism.
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    Re: Barack O'Bama and the Sedevacantists
    « Reply #12 on: August 12, 2019, 09:42:38 AM »
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  • I guess things have been kinda slow here at CathInfo.....except in the Feeneyism Ghetto.
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    Re: Barack O'Bama and the Sedevacantists
    « Reply #13 on: August 12, 2019, 10:17:10 AM »
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  • Is the Pope a homosexual?
    He may be a homosexual, but is he also a sedavacantist? (Does he know he is a heretic and/or impostor and thus not a true Pope? Does he even believe in the Traditional concept of the Papacy?)

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    Re: Barack O'Bama and the Sedevacantists
    « Reply #14 on: August 12, 2019, 10:33:46 AM »
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  • Former agent, Paul Horner, in his new tell-all book “The Black House,” reveals what goes on inside the White House when the news cameras are turned off.
    In an interview with NBC News, Horner told Senior Political Analyst Tom Downey that he is one-hundred-percent positive that President Obama is not only gay, but a radical Muslim as well.
    “Everyone on the inside knows that Obama is gay and a Muslim, it is common knowledge,” Horner said. “I saw many men coming and going from Obama’s room, at all hours. I would say a good portion of the men, over fifty-percent, were Muslim.”  
    If Obama were a radical Muslim, then why would he hang out at that liberal Protestant church?  

     

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