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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Stupid Cow on June 03, 2012, 04:09:13 PM
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Well Matthew, it looks like you'll have to take the trash out again.
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Aw come on. No room for dissent or satire here in Catholic Info? I am the big bad enemy? No. You and I are probably in 99.999% agreement on SSPX/Trad issues.
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You chose a very appropriate user name.
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You chose a very appropriate user name.
Its a translation of the name Dumb Ox.
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Sorry, don't think you'll draw any sympathy here. I support Matthew's decision to ban you.
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Aw come on. No room for dissent or satire here in Catholic Info? I am the big bad enemy? No. You and I are probably in 99.999% agreement on SSPX/Trad issues.
Really? Then why are you enthusiastic about the current deal?
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Aw come on. No room for dissent or satire here in Catholic Info? I am the big bad enemy? No. You and I are probably in 99.999% agreement on SSPX/Trad issues.
Really? Then why are you enthusiastic about the current deal?
I think Fr. Chazal was right when he said its going to be a hot summer!
Well, I am not exactly "enthusiastic" about a deal. I am not biting at the bit to see an agreement soon. But I am hopeful for it, but like others I am waiting to see. What I agree with is the READINESS of Bishop Fellay and the General Council to make a canonical agreement. I am not pro-Fellay. I am not anti-Fellay.
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You chose a very appropriate user name.
Its a translation of the name Dumb Ox.
That is not a translation.
It is a derivation.
Can you get nothing right?
In your original post, you managed to make several spelling mistakes.
For example, you could not spell the following words :
Apostasy,
Prognosticators,
Sacrilegious.
Also, more importantly, why are you so pro-Fellay and the Deal?
He is obviously completely untrustworthy.
You say you are not pro-Fellay.
Your posts indicate you are on his side.
You spend time trying to allay our concerns.
Why?
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You chose a very appropriate user name.
Its a translation of the name Dumb Ox.
That is not a translation.
It is a derivation.
Can you get nothing right?
In your original post, you managed to make several spelling mistakes.
For example, you could not spell the following words :
Apostasy,
Prognosticators,
Sacrilegious.
Also, more importantly, why are you so fanatically pro-Fellay?
He is obviously completely untrustworthy.
You are right Sede. I mispeled. I guess two much Milwaukeee Lite. Thats why I called myself Stupid Cow, i.e. Dumb Ox, which you think I am right? :smoke-pot:
As I said, I am not "pro-Fellay" or did you not read my posts. :reporter:
You have to make distictinctions! Using a Thomistic template to present one's argument is not akin to pretending to be St. Thomas. The Pope stating material heresy is not the same as manifesting formal heresy. Defending +F from detractors and rebels does not equate to being "fanatically pro-Fellay." Can I nuke you a plate of nachos???
:ready-to-eat:
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Not crazy about your reaction Caminus but I get it. I don't understand how we can go from one extreme of such loose moderation to the other extreme of practical dictatorship. I understood when the letters broke there were people signing up as moles, but longtime members who mostly agree but simply aren't indignant enough? Now we're playing the same silencing game they are.
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Not crazy about your reaction Caminus but I get it. I don't understand how we can go from one extreme of such loose moderation to the other extreme of practical dictatorship. I understood when the letters broke there were people signing up as moles, but longtime members who mostly agree but simply aren't indignant enough? Now we're playing the same silencing game they are.
For the record, I have been following and making posts in Catholic Info for years.
I am not a "mole."
:sign-surrender:
Time for dinner... :ready-to-eat:
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...You are right Sede. I mispeled. I guess two much Milwaukeee Lite. Thats why I called myself Stupid Cow, i.e. Dumb Ox, which you think I am right?
In your post, which I quote, you have even misspelled the word "misspelled".
You are not the most edifying member of this Forum.
No wonder you favour the SSPX-Rome Deal.
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...You are right Sede. I mispeled. I guess two much Milwaukeee Lite. Thats why I called myself Stupid Cow, i.e. Dumb Ox, which you think I am right?
In your post, which I quote, you have even misspelled the word "misspelled".
You are not the most edifying member of this Forum.
No wonder you favour the SSPX-Rome Deal
Um, Sede, if you followed my humor, I also deliberately mispelled Milwaukee and misused the word "two."
:tinfoil:
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Not crazy about your reaction Caminus but I get it. I don't understand how we can go from one extreme of such loose moderation to the other extreme of practical dictatorship. I understood when the letters broke there were people signing up as moles, but longtime members who mostly agree but simply aren't indignant enough? Now we're playing the same silencing game they are.
For the record, I have been following and making posts in Catholic Info for years.
I am not a "mole."
:sign-surrender:
Time for dinner... :ready-to-eat:
That's what I mean, I understood people being banned who were signing up specifically to do Menzingen damage control but now there are established members being banned for having a different opinion.
(I assumed you were Caminus but realize it's an assumption and may not be correct. Either way, my concern is the same.)
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...You are right Sede. I mispeled. I guess two much Milwaukeee Lite. Thats why I called myself Stupid Cow, i.e. Dumb Ox, which you think I am right?
In your post, which I quote, you have even misspelled the word "misspelled".
You are not the most edifying member of this Forum.
No wonder you favour the SSPX-Rome Deal
Um, Sede, if you followed my humor, I also deliberately mispelled Milwaukee and misused the word "two."
:tinfoil:
woops, I mean "misspelled." I gues you are right. I cant spel.
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In your original post, you managed to make several spelling mistakes.
For example, you could not spell the following words :
Apostasy,
Prognosticators,
Sacrilegious.
Publicly.
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I'm lol'ing. Although, the word is "omniscient."
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That's what I mean, I understood people being banned who were signing up specifically to do Menzingen damage control but now there are established members being banned for having a different opinion.
(I assumed you were Caminus but realize it's an assumption and may not be correct. Either way, my concern is the same.)
Caminus style is to "play dumb." Perhaps Matthew's eyes have finally been opened to that strategy, which insults our intelligence and pretends not to see what should be obvious out of rather blind subservience to the ruling clique of the SSPX.
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wallflower, you are wrong.
It is not a silencing game.
It is about truth versus lies.
It is a matter of trying to halt the slide into the conciliar church of a large swathe of traditional Catholicism.
CathInfo should be a Castle of truth.
We do not want it knocked down with falsehoods.
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I like the cabaret .....
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This is what is in store for the prideful schismatics in Hell: for all eternity devils will attack you saying you can't spell, you are an idiot, you were one of those anti-Fellay rebels. The same poison dished out against public persons on a daily basis in internet trad forums wil lbe shouted to all annoyance in your ears for eternity.
This is what happens when you become too closely enmeshed with the current regime in the SSPX.
If Caminus ever seriously countered arguments made against him instead of invariably ignoring their salient points, miscasting them, falsely paraphrasing them, over and over again, he might be worth taking seriously in debate.
As it is, the degree of uncertainty Caminus insists we accept in trying to recognize anything is so great that it verges on the pyrrhonism of the modernists. There's no establishing anything except what is convenient at the time. Isn't that the reality of those who pretend the +Fellay wing has a coherent position in continuity with that of the Archbishops?
When we hear all this talk about how Vatican II is really okay textually, I start to wonder "why has the SSPX been resisting all these years?" - is there any firm principle that the SSPX stands on? It seems there isn't listening to Caminus, because I've never seen Caminus admit concretely the sort of things Archbishop Lefebvre routinely stated.
The orientation of the neo-SSPX is clear. And they've said enough. They've made enough statements to make that clear to those on the outside who don't have their minds in a fog because of too much indoctrination.
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Stupid Cow, I invite you to pray this novena:
Novena to Blessed John Paul II the Great: to accelerate the “operation ѕυιcιdє” of the SSPX.
O Blessed John Paul, you who so "respectfully" kissed the Koran, You, who in the "sacred forest" of Togo, leaning forward "a dried pumpkin full of water and corn flour," "prayed for the first time with the animists" who invoke the "Powers of Water"; you who praised the “deep religiosity of Luther". Thou who put Confucius, Buddha, Zoroaster and Muhammad on par with Jesus Christ; you who by love of religious freedom, pushed to the latter Catholics States to not profess the true religion as religion of state; you, you've always known how to please our "elder brothers", recognizing that "the Old Covenant has never been revoked," help your traditionalists brothers so they can get the "full reconciliation" and “May they all be one”.
O Blessed John Paul, You who suffered so much with the fundamentalists Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop de Castro Mayer who refused to you the title of "Good Shepherd", intercede with the God of the modernists and with the UN consciousness of humanity, and give strength to your faithful successor, Benedict, who fortunately has glorified you, that he may succeed "to break down obstinacy and narrowness" of the SSPX, "to make room for what is positive and retrievable for all.”
Oh Blessed John Paul, may Benedict persevere faithfully in your teaching corrupted with heresies, to "confirm his brothers" with zeal, without abandoning "the compass of the Church for the XXI century": the "Vatican II ", may he keep the post-conciliar magisterium of the Popes because “The Church’s teaching authority cannot be frozen in the year 1962 – this must be quite clear to the Society”.
Thus the Church may be the sacrament of the globalist peace.
O Blessed John Paul, fortify Bishop Fellay for illuminate the skeptics who doubt that the SSPX has obtained, by its millions of rosaries, what had been requested. May these "men of little faith" understand that asking for the social kingship of Christ and achieving "healthy secularity" is the same thing. That request for "the Tridentine Mass to be reinstated in his rights" and get an "extraordinary rite" Mass is the same thing. That request for the withdrawal and obtain the lifting of the excommunication they have always contested, it is the same thing.
O Blessed John Paul, help the priests and faithful to always blindly trust the SSPX’s superior. May Bishop Fellay persuade them that in Rome things have changed, Benedict XVI didn’t want Assisi III and in short, help them to trust this pope who, through diplomacy does things gravely contrary to the faith, but he does not want them, he is prepared to do evil and then work better for the glory of God, the good of the Church and the salvation of souls ...
Oh Blessed John Paul that the completely unrealistic claim of archbishop Lefebvre ends forever, because "Rome never retracts" That the SSPX accept to be free in a free church.
The happy ending is coming because if "Rome denies the principle of no contradiction", today is no longer alone.
Blessed John Paul, hurry up the day of the beautiful and sweet "deal" of those who "disagree" and give us peace and Kisses. Shalom!
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This is what is in store for the prideful schismatics in Hell: for all eternity devils will attack you saying you can't spell, you are an idiot, you were one of those anti-Fellay rebels. The same poison dished out against public persons on a daily basis in internet trad forums wil lbe shouted to all annoyance in your ears for eternity.
This is what happens when you become too closely enmeshed with the current regime in the SSPX.
If Caminus ever seriously countered arguments made against him instead of invariably ignoring their salient points, miscasting them, falsely paraphrasing them, over and over again, he might be worth taking seriously in debate.
As it is, the degree of uncertainty Caminus insists we accept in trying to recognize anything is so great that it verges on the pyrrhonism of the modernists. There's no establishing anything accept what is convenient at the time. Isn't that the reality of those who pretend the +Fellay wing has a coherent position in continuity with that of the Archbishops?
When we hear all this talk about how Vatican II is really okay textually, I start to wonder "why has the SSPX been resisting all these years?" - is there any firm principle that the SSPX stands on? It seems there isn't listening to Caminus, because I've never seen Caminus admit concretely the sort of things Archbishop Lefebvre routinely stated.
The orientation of the neo-SSPX is clear. And they've said enough. They've made enough statements to make that clear to those on the outside who don't have their minds in a fog because of too much indoctrination.
Um, who is Caminus??? :facepalm: :confused1: :wink:
CatholicInfo Stichomythia Anyone?? :argue:
AF = anti-Fellay
FD = Fellay defender
AF - But Ite ad Thomam you are clearly no Saint Thomas
FD - I agree. Compared to him, I am a Dumb Ass
AF - But you seriously misuse the Thomistic format
FD - So you say--see PART TWO--Magister Matt
AF - thus you show yourself truely a modernist
FD - liberal, Fellayite, heretic...add it to your list
AF - you just come here to annoy us here
FD - no, just away from schism, I try to help steer.
AF - you can't even spell
FD - but unlike libel it won't send me to hell
AF- Ite ad Thomam, Stupid Cow, you are truely a Stupid Cow
FD - in the spirit of St. Thomas before that praise I bow
AF - ban him Matthew he is confusing people to here sent
FD - but thats hypocrisy to ban a mere voice of dissent
AF - aw, shut up, you are annoying really
FD - then dont read or respond to the thread silly
AF - ban this Fellayite Matt
FD - that will just ruin open discussion in the CatholicInfo format
AF - but are you deaf to the Letter of 3??
FD - what letter of 3? thats meant for privacy
AF- whatever, its out there, listen to the 3
FD - when have the 3 intended me their private letter to see?
AF - how can you be for communion with the conciliar Vatican?
FD - of Archbishop Lefebvre, that is a serious spin!
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Stupid Cow, I invite you to pray this novena:
Novena to Blessed John Paul II the Great: to accelerate the “operation ѕυιcιdє” of the SSPX.
O Blessed John Paul, you who so "respectfully" kissed the Koran, You, who in the "sacred forest" of Togo, leaning forward "a dried pumpkin full of water and corn flour," "prayed for the first time with the animists" who invoke the "Powers of Water"; you who praised the “deep religiosity of Luther". Thou who put Confucius, Buddha, Zoroaster and Muhammad on par with Jesus Christ; you who by love of religious freedom, pushed to the latter Catholics States to not profess the true religion as religion of state; you, you've always known how to please our "elder brothers", recognizing that "the Old Covenant has never been revoked," help your traditionalists brothers so they can get the "full reconciliation" and “May they all be one”.
O Blessed John Paul, You who suffered so much with the fundamentalists Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop de Castro Mayer who refused to you the title of "Good Shepherd", intercede with the God of the modernists and with the UN consciousness of humanity, and give strength to your faithful successor, Benedict, who fortunately has glorified you, that he may succeed "to break down obstinacy and narrowness" of the SSPX, "to make room for what is positive and retrievable for all.”
Oh Blessed John Paul, may Benedict persevere faithfully in your teaching corrupted with heresies, to "confirm his brothers" with zeal, without abandoning "the compass of the Church for the XXI century": the "Vatican II ", may he keep the post-conciliar magisterium of the Popes because “The Church’s teaching authority cannot be frozen in the year 1962 – this must be quite clear to the Society”.
Thus the Church may be the sacrament of the globalist peace.
O Blessed John Paul, fortify Bishop Fellay for illuminate the skeptics who doubt that the SSPX has obtained, by its millions of rosaries, what had been requested. May these "men of little faith" understand that asking for the social kingship of Christ and achieving "healthy secularity" is the same thing. That request for "the Tridentine Mass to be reinstated in his rights" and get an "extraordinary rite" Mass is the same thing. That request for the withdrawal and obtain the lifting of the excommunication they have always contested, it is the same thing.
O Blessed John Paul, help the priests and faithful to always blindly trust the SSPX’s superior. May Bishop Fellay persuade them that in Rome things have changed, Benedict XVI didn’t want Assisi III and in short, help them to trust this pope who, through diplomacy does things gravely contrary to the faith, but he does not want them, he is prepared to do evil and then work better for the glory of God, the good of the Church and the salvation of souls ...
Oh Blessed John Paul that the completely unrealistic claim of archbishop Lefebvre ends forever, because "Rome never retracts" That the SSPX accept to be free in a free church.
The happy ending is coming because if "Rome denies the principle of no contradiction", today is no longer alone.
Blessed John Paul, hurry up the day of the beautiful and sweet "deal" of those who "disagree" and give us peace and Kisses. Shalom!
I appreciate your SATIRE.
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Not crazy about your reaction Caminus but I get it. I don't understand how we can go from one extreme of such loose moderation to the other extreme of practical dictatorship. I understood when the letters broke there were people signing up as moles, but longtime members who mostly agree but simply aren't indignant enough? Now we're playing the same silencing game they are.
Caminus not only was a dogmatic Fellay supporter, but he also was rude and arrogant. A ban may be just what he needs to give him a dose of humility.
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Not crazy about your reaction Caminus but I get it. I don't understand how we can go from one extreme of such loose moderation to the other extreme of practical dictatorship. I understood when the letters broke there were people signing up as moles, but longtime members who mostly agree but simply aren't indignant enough? Now we're playing the same silencing game they are.
Caminus not only was a dogmatic Fellay supporter, but he also was rude and arrogant. A ban may be just what he needs to give him a dose of humility.
As an observer, rude and arrogant is something all internet forums tend towards, and this one is no exception-- rudeness and arrogance is something a lot of posters on here are privy to, even habitually. Basically I'm saying rudeness and arrogance definitely isn't why he was banned. At least, not if I assume Matthew to be logically consistent, which I do.
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I know Caminus wasn't banned for that. I'm just saying maybe a ban would do him some good.
He went on a rampage several times in the past.
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Not crazy about your reaction Caminus but I get it. I don't understand how we can go from one extreme of such loose moderation to the other extreme of practical dictatorship. I understood when the letters broke there were people signing up as moles, but longtime members who mostly agree but simply aren't indignant enough? Now we're playing the same silencing game they are.
Caminus not only was a dogmatic Fellay supporter, but he also was rude and arrogant. A ban may be just what he needs to give him a dose of humility.
As an observer, rude and arrogant is something all internet forums tend towards, and this one is no exception-- rudeness and arrogance is something a lot of posters on here are privy to, even habitually. Basically I'm saying rudeness and arrogance definitely isn't why he was banned. At least, not if I assume Matthew to be logically consistent, which I do.
Haha that's what I was going to say. If rude and arrogant were a reason, a lot of us should be gone a loooooong time ago.
SS I saw Caminus say he wasn't for a deal if it involved compromise. I'd say that's the bottom line for most people here. The difference lies in what we think we should do or say in the meantime until we find out more.
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SS I saw Caminus say he wasn't for a deal if it involved compromise. I'd say that's the bottom line for most people here. The difference lies in what we think we should do or say in the meantime until we find out more.
Fellay has shown in his own words that he has compromised on his position on Vatican II. Not to mention his extreme ignorance on the Jews.
As for being rude and arrogant, I agree that someone can't be banned just for that. I myself have been arrogant before. What I was getting at is Caminus was nearly always that way. He went on uncharitable rampages and appeared to be on the verge of another one.
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SS I saw Caminus say he wasn't for a deal if it involved compromise. I'd say that's the bottom line for most people here. The difference lies in what we think we should do or say in the meantime until we find out more.
Fellay has shown in his own words that he has compromised on his position on Vatican II. Not to mention his extreme ignorance on the Jews.
As for being rude and arrogant, I agree that someone can't be banned just for that. I myself have been arrogant before. What I was getting at is Caminus was nearly always that way. He went on uncharitable rampages and appeared to be on the verge of another one.
Nachos anyone?? I just made another hot, steaming recipe of my famous Ite ad Thomam Nachos Grande.
Recipe:
Fresh restaurant-style, authentic Mexican-style tortilla chips
Mexican shredded cheese mix--colby, monterey, cheddar (Krafft, or if like many Trads you have a part-time Goat Farm then use varities of homemade goat cheese :smile:)
Fried, shredded chicken breast from the bone (Mexican grocers sell mostly natural chicken breast and its inexpensive).
Can of Rotel salsa (hot, medium, or mild to taste)
Sour cream (again from the goats would be fine)
Salt and pepper, olive oil to taste.
Instructions: combine ingredients in an oven-proof casserole dish. Bake for 5 minutes at 500 degrees F. Top with sour cream, drizzle with EVOO, and serve!
Bon a petit!
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SS I saw Caminus say he wasn't for a deal if it involved compromise. I'd say that's the bottom line for most people here. The difference lies in what we think we should do or say in the meantime until we find out more.
Fellay has shown in his own words that he has compromised on his position on Vatican II. Not to mention his extreme ignorance on the Jews.
As for being rude and arrogant, I agree that someone can't be banned just for that. I myself have been arrogant before. What I was getting at is Caminus was nearly always that way. He went on uncharitable rampages and appeared to be on the verge of another one.
I understand this and I agree. I am not excited about his change of tone towards V2. I think it is a huge red flag.
In this thread however, my concern is that all of a sudden everyone has to walk and talk a certain way or else.
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In this thread however, my concern is that all of a sudden everyone has to walk and talk a certain way or else.
Not necessarily. Everyone who has been banned since this all started has been a dogmatic Fellay supporter. You are not one and, in spite of our disagreements, I will say that you are most kind.
It's people who go overboard in their defense of Fellay that are banned from here.
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In this thread however, my concern is that all of a sudden everyone has to walk and talk a certain way or else.
Not necessarily. Everyone who has been banned since this all started has been a dogmatic Fellay supporter. You are not one and, in spite of our disagreements, I will say that you are most kind.
It's people who go overboard in their defense of Fellay that are banned from here.
I have far from read every thread and post so perhaps there's stuff you all are seeing that I am missing.
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In this thread however, my concern is that all of a sudden everyone has to walk and talk a certain way or else.
Not necessarily. Everyone who has been banned since this all started has been a dogmatic Fellay supporter. You are not one and, in spite of our disagreements, I will say that you are most kind.
It's people who go overboard in their defense of Fellay that are banned from here.
I have far from read every thread and post so perhaps there's stuff you all are seeing that I am missing.
Well, some of the posts made by those dogmatic Fellay supporters have been deleted. Caminus started a thread last night that was deleted, Jitpring had some of his posts deleted after he compared us to the Jews, and two other Fellay supporters had a few of their posts deleted as well. So you won't see all the evidence, but I will say that those deleted posts won't be missed, I don't think.
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For the record, I have been following and making posts in Catholic Info for years.
I am not a "mole."
As I post this, Stupid Cow joined today and has made 12 posts. The Guest forum is just a few weeks old. So, at the very least, he's a poster with multiple ID's. If I recall, this is one of the few absolute no-no's on this forum.
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Caminus was banned after the *second* thread criticizing the Resistance Movement against a sellout to Modernist Rome.
Caminus seemed to be behind the times a bit -- he needs to get caught up information-wise.
I explained my reasons for banning him in a General Discussion thread entitled, "Caminus is banned -- temporarily" Please go read it.