Author Topic: Bad News out of Boston KY (Read 19477 times)

MaterDominici · « **Reply #15 on:** September 26, 2015, 07:26:57 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

That is a big "if." Why anyone at this point might assume that the "Resistance" (capital R) is the safest place to preserve one's Faith in 2015, I can not imagine.

Two Resistance priests are leaving us with more questions than answers at the moment, but I still see the long list of other Resistance priests as the safest place to be right now.

Why do you disagree?

hollingsworth · « **Reply #16 on:** September 26, 2015, 08:34:37 PM »

MaterDominici:

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Why do you disagree?

I don't believe in standing in the way of people who still wish to attend "Reistance" Masses. It is not my place to discourage them from doing so. However, if it is a Mass celebrated by Fr. P, count my wife and me out. We know too much now. Too much has happened. For us, it is all over with him. But we do not judge people who continue attending his Masses. That is between them and God.

curioustrad · « **Reply #17 on:** September 26, 2015, 08:38:55 PM »

I possess all of the ORCM newsletters until it collapsed in the early 1980s and this fellow never existed in any connection with them whatsoever. Rather Fr. Francis Fenton approached Archbishop Lefebvre through Fr. Clarence Kelly and was rebuffed because of his connection with the John Birch Society. Fr. Kelly received orders not to work with the ORCM thereafter. At no point did the ORCM have access to any Sacrament other than what a priest could provide. I'd have a better chance winning the Powerball Lottery than this fellow's story could check out to be true.
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MaterDominici · « **Reply #18 on:** September 26, 2015, 08:44:10 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

MaterDominici:
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Why do you disagree?

I don't believe in standing in the way of people who still wish to attend "Reistance" Masses. It is not my place to discourage them from doing so. However, if it is a Mass celebrated by Fr. P, count my wife and me out. We know too much now. Too much has happened. For us, it is all over with him. But we do not judge people who continue attending his Masses. That is between them and God.

That makes more sense to me.

Would it follow that if a different Resistance priest (not from Boston, KY) said Mass in your area that you would attend?

Would the following be more accurate?

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Why anyone at this point might assume that the Our Lady of Mt Carmel apostolate is the safest place to preserve one's Faith in 2015, I can not imagine.

obediens · « **Reply #19 on:** September 26, 2015, 08:48:37 PM »

"Consecration" of Pfeiffer in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

Curioustrad, what a great asset! Would you ever consider having the newsletters scanned and turned into PDF's and uploaded online?

Quote from: curioustrad

I possess all of the ORCM newsletters until it collapsed in the early 1980s and this fellow never existed in any connection with them whatsoever. Rather Fr. Francis Fenton approached Archbishop Lefebvre through Fr. Clarence Kelly and was rebuffed because of his connection with the John Birch Society. Fr. Kelly received orders not to work with the ORCM thereafter. At no point did the ORCM have access to any Sacrament other than what a priest could provide. I'd have a better chance winning the Powerball Lottery than this fellow's story could check out to be true.
:sign-surrender:

Raphael · « **Reply #20 on:** September 26, 2015, 08:54:10 PM »

Ok, hollingsworth, I'm going to ask you something. Don't take this the wrong way, because I agree with you for the most part. You obviously know something that (I'm assuming) most of us don't, concerning Fr. P. Is this (scandal?) too big for you to even receive the Sacraments from him? I mean, he is still a priest, no? If your family had no other means besides him to receive (the Sacraments) would you honestly refuse, based on your knowledge?

Matthew · « **Reply #21 on:** September 26, 2015, 08:57:14 PM »

Quote from: curioustrad

I possess all of the ORCM newsletters until it collapsed in the early 1980s and this fellow never existed in any connection with them whatsoever. Rather Fr. Francis Fenton approached Archbishop Lefebvre through Fr. Clarence Kelly and was rebuffed because of his connection with the John Birch Society. Fr. Kelly received orders not to work with the ORCM thereafter. At no point did the ORCM have access to any Sacrament other than what a priest could provide. I'd have a better chance winning the Powerball Lottery than this fellow's story could check out to be true.
:sign-surrender:

ORCM? Most of us are not familiar with that abbreviation.

It's either
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Roman_Catholic_Movement
or
Open Resilient Cluster Manager (ORCM)
https://www.open-mpi.org/projects/orcm/

Given the context, I'm going to go with A).

MaterDominici · « **Reply #22 on:** September 26, 2015, 09:08:04 PM »

Quote from: Raphael

Ok, hollingsworth, I'm going to ask you something. Don't take this the wrong way, because I agree with you for the most part. You obviously know something that (I'm assuming) most of us don't, concerning Fr. P. Is this (scandal?) too big for you to even receive the Sacraments from him? I mean, he is still a priest, no? If your family had no other means besides him to receive (the Sacraments) would you honestly refuse, based on your knowledge?

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Fr-Zendejas-recent-sermon-we-creatures-need-Gods-grace

This was one of the topics of our sermon from last Sunday. (A bit of 'preaching to the choir' perhaps.) Don't presume you can get by without the sacraments when you have a unquestionably valid, well-trained, TLM priest available to you.

PG · « **Reply #23 on:** September 26, 2015, 09:11:33 PM »

curiostrad - I also did research into the orcm, and I did not find any link to ambrose. But, you have got the real gold. It might be a good idea to get some of that onto the internet if it is feasible.

Also, that +lefebvre, fr. kelly, and fr. fenton jbs story is interesting. Because, I have a book written by fr. kelly that was published in 1974 by western islands(the jbs publisher) and dedicated to fenton and welch of the jbs. It is called conspiracy against god and man, and in it he endorses the jbs I believe. So, fr. kelly was involved with the jbs it appears for many years before this situation in the 1980s. I wonder why +lefebvre did not take action against fr. kelly if he was opposed to fenton on those same grounds(jbs involvement).

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #24 on:** September 26, 2015, 09:35:14 PM »

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I watched the interview with Fr. Hewko of "Bishop" Ambrose, and one thing struck me at the time which is starting to raise concern:

When Fr. Hewko asked him what his response is to the abominable misdeeds of JPII in various venues (Shiva dung, kissing Koran, bare breasted women in the sanctuary etc.), his response was DIVERSIONARY. He would not say a word of specific objection to any of those things, but insisted on replying that he would endeavor to teach the Faith as he had learned it. I thought at the time, "He is not a fighter."

If he had been really on board with ABL's life work of opposition to error, he would have had SOMETHING to say about the scandalous papacy of JPII, even if it were to mention how he cannot accept the canonization of this miscreant.

Also, the involvement of Pablo in the whole affair raises serious concerns.

Thank you, Matthew and MaterDominici for this thread.

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hollingsworth · « **Reply #25 on:** September 26, 2015, 09:56:23 PM »

Raphael:

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Ok, hollingsworth, I'm going to ask you something. Don't take this the wrong way, because I agree with you for the most part. You obviously know something that (I'm assuming) most of us don't, concerning Fr. P. Is this (scandal?) too big for you to even receive the Sacraments from him? I mean, he is still a priest, no? If your family had no other means besides him to receive (the Sacraments) would you honestly refuse, based on your knowledge?

You raise a valid question. If I were on my death bed and he was the only priest available to give me last rites, I would certainly ask him to do them. As far as receiving the Sacraments now: No, I would refuse, under normal circuмstances, to receive them from him. My wife and I have lost total respect for, and confidence in, this priest.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #26 on:** September 26, 2015, 10:00:35 PM »

Neil Obstat:

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Also, the involvement of Pablo in the whole affair raises serious concerns.

Well, of course it does. The mere fact that Pablo made the video, and may well have helped set up the interview, should just about convince everyone, viz. There is something rotten in Denmark. This Bp. Ambrose affair does not smell right.

Caraffa · « **Reply #27 on:** September 26, 2015, 10:46:09 PM »

New video:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/Kg6af9eoQh4[/youtube]

Something else suspicious is that in all of "Ambrose's" pictures and all of the pictures of him online from Orthodox sites he is wearing glasses, yet in these videos he does not wear them. How many people take up wearing contacts in their 60's? I wonder if this is even the Ambrose from the Orthodox websites and thus if this fellow is actually impersonating a bishop.

Henry101 · « **Reply #28 on:** September 26, 2015, 11:03:04 PM »

Well, it's obvious that Fr. Pfiffer/Hewco accept his legitimacy because he has celebrated mass in the chapel at least once.

I remember when Fr. Pfiffer was bashing Bishop Williamson for inviting over an orthodox Jєωιѕн rabbi at the seminary for a talk on social morals. Now, Fr. Pfiffer is inviting this man, Bishop Ambrose or Mora or whatever he refers to himself, to, not only speak but, also, to perform the sacraments.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #29 on:** September 26, 2015, 11:49:46 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

You raise a valid question. If I were on my death bed and he was the only priest available to give me last rites, I would certainly ask him to do them. As far as receiving the Sacraments now: No, I would refuse, under normal circuмstances, to receive them from him. My wife and I have lost total respect for, and confidence in, this priest.

A good number of people are probably thinking through this same situation or might be in the future, so I wonder if you'd do me the favor of clarifying further...

You mention what you won't do, but you haven't said what you will do. Will you be receiving the sacraments somewhere else despite possible deficiencies of the various organizations? Or, will you be avoiding all sacraments available in your area?