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Bad News out of Boston KY
« on: September 26, 2015, 02:06:21 PM »
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  • This is pretty big news, but it was buried by being at the tail end of an old thread. Someone "bumped" an old thread rather than starting a new one.

    Well, this news certainly deserves its own thread!

    This news comes from several sources, including
    MariaAngelaGrow
    Hollingsworth (who spoke with Fr. Voigt)
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    PaulFHC (an ex-seminarian from Boston, KY)



    1. There is a new bishop in Boston, KY, who has a dubious background in Orthodoxy, and whose story doesn't check out. He was found by none other than Pablo!

    2. Fr. Voigt has left the group, and is working on his own now.

    And now this:


    Maria Angela Grow: There is far more than just statements regarding Bishop Williamson  or small quibbles behind H E Bishop Williamson's refusal to have anything to do with the seminary in Boston. There are extremely serious underlying problems that cause Bishop Williamson to think that no one should have anything whatsoever to do with the establishment at Boston, KY. There are violations of moral law that are of concern to him. Pablo has now brought in a Ukranian bishop, whose antecedents are dubious, to do what they need a bishop to do. I wish I could say more. I cannot. I am bound to promises of confidentiality by several people. My heart is broken, and I will fast and pray for Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko. Fr Voigt has already left.


    Hollingsworth: Everything you say is true, Angela.  I was in touch with Fr. V just last evening.  He is a good friend.  I would have to conclude that the Boston, KY project has fallen on very hard times.  In fact, we understand, the seminary may not even open for a third year for lack of candidates.  I was not aware that Bp. Williamson had refused to have anything to do with the seminary, but I do know that he was very upset with Fr. Pfeiffer in the past.  Like you, Angela, though I am not bound to confidentiality, I feel just to let this situation play out.  A number of the faithful have been gravely hurt by all this, and I don't think the hurting is over.

    Paul FHC: Having spent a year at OLMC I can verify that both frs. Hewko and Pfeiffer are aware of the gravest problems and have done nothing to date. Except find a bishop who doesn't know about the problems.

    Maria Angela Grow: I did not say that either Fr. Pfeiffer or Fr. Hewko have violated moral law. I said violations were occurring there. They are often away, and violations have occurred. I am not at liberty to tell you specifically myself. Fr. Voigt could tell you. The seminarians that left could tell you. There are other people I may not mention who can tell you. I am not at liberty to do so. I am only trying to say that H E Bishop Williamson had more serious reasons than videos criticizing him or other small matters to break with Boston, KY. I greatly admire Fr Hewko and Fr Pfeifer has been nothing but kind to my husband and me. The problem is more one of misplaced trust. Even saints are not omniscient or free from human mistakes. A good pious pope bequeathed us some appointments of those whose hearts were in masonry rather than in the Church. I am sorry that I was not clear.

    Maria Angela Grow: True and a lot more is true that I have from several very reliable sources, but I can not tell most of what I have been told. Great prayer is needed. This new bishop is not good news. He is Pablo's importation to get around the problem that neither Bishop Williamson nor Bishop Faure will ordain seminarians from the KY seminary under the circuмstances. Santiago was ill at the seminary for some time before medical help was sought. He was taken to the hospital only when he was going into a coma. Regarding Fr Voigt, he will likely be accused of financial misconduct, but in my opinion, this is not true. Fr. Voigt was sent away because Pablo wished this. Pablo and Rose are in charge of the money given to Our Lady of Mount Carmel, not Fr Voigt, so the allegations make no sense. Fr Voigt and Bishop Williamson know most of the story, whether they will say something publicly, I do not know. I plan to fast and pray for all those involved.
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    Bad News out of Boston KY
    « Reply #1 on: September 26, 2015, 02:19:22 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    This is pretty big news, but it was buried by being at the tail end of an old thread. Someone "bumped" an old thread rather than starting a new one.

    Well, this news certainly deserves its own thread!

    This news comes from several sources, including
    MariaAngelaGrow
    Hollingsworth (who spoke with Fr. Voigt)
    and
    PaulFHC (an ex-seminarian from Boston, KY)



    1. There is a new bishop in Boston, KY, who has a dubious background in Orthodoxy, and whose story doesn't check out. He was found by none other than Pablo!

    2. Fr. Voigt has left the group, and is working on his own now.

    And now this:


    There is far more than just statements regarding Bishop Williamson  or small quibbles behind H E Bishop Williamson's refusal to have anything to do with the seminary in Boston. There are extremely serious underlying problems that cause Bishop Williamson to think that no one should have anything whatsoever to do with the establishment at Boston, KY. There are violations of moral law that are of concern to him. Pablo has now brought in a Ukranian bishop, whose antecedents are dubious, to do what they need a bishop to do. I wish I could say more. I cannot. I am bound to promises of confidentiality by several people. My heart is broken, and I will fast and pray for Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko. Fr Voigt has already left.


    Everything you say is true, Angela.  I was in touch with Fr. V just last evening.  He is a good friend.  I would have to conclude that the Boston, KY project has fallen on very hard times.  In fact, we understand, the seminary may not even open for a third year for lack of candidates.  I was not aware that Bp. Williamson had refused to have anything to do with the seminary, but I do know that he was very upset with Fr. Pfeiffer in the past.  Like you, Angela, though I am not bound to confidentiality, I feel just to let this situation play out.  A number of the faithful have been gravely hurt by all this, and I don't think the hurting is over.


    I did not say that either Fr. Pfeiffer or Fr. Hewko have violated moral law. I said violations were occurring there. They are often away, and violations have occurred. I am not at liberty to tell you specifically myself. Fr. Voigt could tell you. The seminarians that left could tell you. There are other people I may not mention who can tell you. I am not at liberty to do so. I am only trying to say that H E Bishop Williamson had more serious reasons than videos criticizing him or other small matters to break with Boston, KY. I greatly admire Fr Hewko and Fr Pfeifer has been nothing but kind to my husband and me. The problem is more one of misplaced trust. Even saints are not omniscient or free from human mistakes. A good pious pope bequeathed us some appointments of those whose hearts were in masonry rather than in the Church. I am sorry that I was not clear.


    All of this could have been avoided, I am sure.


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    Bad News out of Boston KY
    « Reply #2 on: September 26, 2015, 02:28:39 PM »
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    Bad News out of Boston KY
    « Reply #3 on: September 26, 2015, 02:30:57 PM »
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  • Very bad indeed, but not surprising; they were headed down a bad path almost from the outset.

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    Bad News out of Boston KY
    « Reply #4 on: September 26, 2015, 02:32:38 PM »
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  • I saw the interview with Father Hewko and Bishop Ambrose and I saw the Bishop's sermon. I like the guy but I have no way of knowing if there is any truth to what he says. I also noticed that he didn't explain his involvement with the schismatics which was brought up by other posters.

    As an aside. As there is bad news from Boston, Kentucky how is Father Chazal's seminary in Cebu doing. I haven't heard much news about it except for a video posted a few months ago in which Father Chazal said that all of his original seminarians left and that he was getting new ones. I also saw a more recent letter in which Father Chazal said that he was building the bamboo seminary with enough room for twenty seminarians (though I don't think he has nearly that many). Anyone have any news?
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    Bad News out of Boston KY
    « Reply #5 on: September 26, 2015, 02:50:33 PM »
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    As an aside. As there is bad news from Boston, Kentucky how is Father Chazal's seminary in Cebu doing. I haven't heard much news about it except for a video posted a few months ago in which Father Chazal said that all of his original seminarians left and that he was getting new ones. I also saw a more recent letter in which Father Chazal said that he was building the bamboo seminary with enough room for twenty seminarians (though I don't think he has nearly that many). Anyone have any news?


    The "bamboo seminary" is where Fr. Suneel was ordained deacon, correct?

    To be noted in all of this is that from an outsider perspective, it seems that the Resistance bishops were not refusing to provide the things needed by a seminary, they only refused to do so in Boston, KY. Or, perhaps Fr. Suneel was an exception. I don't know.
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    Bad News out of Boston KY
    « Reply #6 on: September 26, 2015, 02:54:37 PM »
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    The "bamboo seminary" is where Fr. Suneel was ordained deacon, correct?

    Yes. I saw pictures of Bishop Faure at the "bamboo seminary" ordaining him a deacon.
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    Bad News out of Boston KY
    « Reply #7 on: September 26, 2015, 04:16:45 PM »
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    To be noted in all of this is that from an outsider perspective, it seems that the Resistance bishops were not refusing to provide the things needed by a seminary, they only refused to do so in Boston, KY. Or, perhaps Fr. Suneel was an exception. I don't know.


    If only everybody could realize this! I am so tired of hearing people say that bp Williamson is doing nothing. The common denominator is that nobody wants to touch Boston with a ten foot pole.  Please, my friends... Fr Pfeiffer is not the resistance...


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    « Reply #8 on: September 26, 2015, 04:52:17 PM »
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    If only everybody could realize this! I am so tired of hearing people say that bp Williamson is doing nothing. The common denominator is that nobody wants to touch Boston with a ten foot pole.  Please, my friends... Fr Pfeiffer is not the resistance...


    Indeed! I think it's pretty safe to say this, regardless of one's opinion of Fr. Pfeiffer. If the Resistance is the best/safest place to preserve one's Faith in 2015, then it's bigger than ANY man, cleric or lay.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 26, 2015, 05:05:58 PM »
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  • Paul:
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    I am so tired of hearing people say that bp Williamson is doing nothing.


    The "people" we heard saying it were none other than Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko themselves.

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    « Reply #11 on: September 26, 2015, 05:39:47 PM »
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  • Matto, where might one find the interview with Fr. Hewko and +Ambrose?  Can you post a link?  Thanks

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    « Reply #12 on: September 26, 2015, 05:44:38 PM »
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    Matto, where might one find the interview with Fr. Hewko and +Ambrose?  Can you post a link?  Thanks


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    « Reply #13 on: September 26, 2015, 05:48:39 PM »
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    Matto, where might one find the interview with Fr. Hewko and +Ambrose?  Can you post a link?  Thanks




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    « Reply #14 on: September 26, 2015, 06:37:48 PM »
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  • Matthew:
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    Indeed! I think it's pretty safe to say this, regardless of one's opinion of Fr. Pfeiffer. If the Resistance is the best/safest place to preserve one's Faith in 2015, then it's bigger than ANY man, cleric or lay.


    That is a big "if."  Why anyone at this point might assume that the "Resistance" (capital R) is the safest place to preserve one's Faith in 2015, I can not imagine.  
    What is going on here?  I had never heard of this (Ukrainian?) Bishop Ambrose until just now.  He's obviously from NY, but, apparently, has been tied up with the Byzantine Uniates in Ukraine for decades  
    Is this the person who has been brought in to replace Bp. Williamson, who will no longer have anything to do with the SSPX-MC in Boston, KY?  I mean, really!!?  Is this a job interview for a vacated Episcopal position?
    You all realize, don't you, that this is a PablotheMexican video?  Any project, in which the Meshican is involved, can not be good, can it?  This is just incredible... Fr. Hewko interviewing this prelate.  Wow!  Is it the beginning of the end for Fr. Pfeiffer's self-initiated work. or is it the end of the beginning.
    Stay tuned, folks.  I think there may be some stuff coming online soon that will knock your socks off.