Author Topic: Bad News out of Boston KY (Read 27712 times)

Raphael · « **Reply #20 on:** September 26, 2015, 08:54:10 PM »

Ok, hollingsworth, I'm going to ask you something. Don't take this the wrong way, because I agree with you for the most part. You obviously know something that (I'm assuming) most of us don't, concerning Fr. P. Is this (scandal?) too big for you to even receive the Sacraments from him? I mean, he is still a priest, no? If your family had no other means besides him to receive (the Sacraments) would you honestly refuse, based on your knowledge?

Matthew · « **Reply #21 on:** September 26, 2015, 08:57:14 PM »

Quote from: curioustrad

I possess all of the ORCM newsletters until it collapsed in the early 1980s and this fellow never existed in any connection with them whatsoever. Rather Fr. Francis Fenton approached Archbishop Lefebvre through Fr. Clarence Kelly and was rebuffed because of his connection with the John Birch Society. Fr. Kelly received orders not to work with the ORCM thereafter. At no point did the ORCM have access to any Sacrament other than what a priest could provide. I'd have a better chance winning the Powerball Lottery than this fellow's story could check out to be true.
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ORCM? Most of us are not familiar with that abbreviation.

It's either
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Roman_Catholic_Movement
or
Open Resilient Cluster Manager (ORCM)
https://www.open-mpi.org/projects/orcm/

Given the context, I'm going to go with A).

MaterDominici · « **Reply #22 on:** September 26, 2015, 09:08:04 PM »

Quote from: Raphael

Ok, hollingsworth, I'm going to ask you something. Don't take this the wrong way, because I agree with you for the most part. You obviously know something that (I'm assuming) most of us don't, concerning Fr. P. Is this (scandal?) too big for you to even receive the Sacraments from him? I mean, he is still a priest, no? If your family had no other means besides him to receive (the Sacraments) would you honestly refuse, based on your knowledge?

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Fr-Zendejas-recent-sermon-we-creatures-need-Gods-grace

This was one of the topics of our sermon from last Sunday. (A bit of 'preaching to the choir' perhaps.) Don't presume you can get by without the sacraments when you have a unquestionably valid, well-trained, TLM priest available to you.

PG · « **Reply #23 on:** September 26, 2015, 09:11:33 PM »

curiostrad - I also did research into the orcm, and I did not find any link to ambrose. But, you have got the real gold. It might be a good idea to get some of that onto the internet if it is feasible.

Also, that +lefebvre, fr. kelly, and fr. fenton jbs story is interesting. Because, I have a book written by fr. kelly that was published in 1974 by western islands(the jbs publisher) and dedicated to fenton and welch of the jbs. It is called conspiracy against god and man, and in it he endorses the jbs I believe. So, fr. kelly was involved with the jbs it appears for many years before this situation in the 1980s. I wonder why +lefebvre did not take action against fr. kelly if he was opposed to fenton on those same grounds(jbs involvement).

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #24 on:** September 26, 2015, 09:35:14 PM »

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I watched the interview with Fr. Hewko of "Bishop" Ambrose, and one thing struck me at the time which is starting to raise concern:

When Fr. Hewko asked him what his response is to the abominable misdeeds of JPII in various venues (Shiva dung, kissing Koran, bare breasted women in the sanctuary etc.), his response was DIVERSIONARY. He would not say a word of specific objection to any of those things, but insisted on replying that he would endeavor to teach the Faith as he had learned it. I thought at the time, "He is not a fighter."

If he had been really on board with ABL's life work of opposition to error, he would have had SOMETHING to say about the scandalous papacy of JPII, even if it were to mention how he cannot accept the canonization of this miscreant.

Also, the involvement of Pablo in the whole affair raises serious concerns.

Thank you, Matthew and MaterDominici for this thread.

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