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« on: December 18, 2015, 07:36:32 PM »
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    « Reply #1 on: December 18, 2015, 07:37:55 PM »
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    « Reply #2 on: December 18, 2015, 08:31:37 PM »
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  • Looks Like a future Tomb for a novus ordo prelate such as Mahony.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 18, 2015, 08:34:43 PM »
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  • Oh my do not think that way lets pray and hope
    God fixes this. Oh let a miracle occur please o God !
    I saw this video as well.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 18, 2015, 08:40:42 PM »
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    In common usage today, "awful" means extremely bad or unpleasant;  terrible.

    Perhaps you could explain why you think this altar is "awful" - or are you also referring to the artwork behind the altar?


    For those unfamiliar with stone and imitation stone painting, the floor in front of the steps is made of a natural stone with particular colors and patterns, and the steps are made of another stone of different colors and patterns.  The imitation stone of the altar is made to coordinate with the stone of the floor and the stone of the steps, and as such, it is a look that most likely would be impossible to find in natural marble;  not only in small quantities but in the very thick and large size that this altar demands.  

    Some unusual colors and patterns can be obtained in small sizes, that is less than one inch in diameter.  But this altar is a lot bigger than that.

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    « Reply #5 on: December 18, 2015, 08:48:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    In common usage today, "awful" means extremely bad or unpleasant;  terrible.

    Perhaps you could explain why you think this altar is "awful" - or are you also referring to the artwork behind the altar?


    For those unfamiliar with stone and imitation stone painting, the floor in front of the steps is made of a natural stone with particular colors and patterns, and the steps are made of another stone of different colors and patterns.  The imitation stone of the altar is made to coordinate with the stone of the floor and the stone of the steps, and as such, it is a look that most likely would be impossible to find in natural marble;  not only in small quantities but in the very thick and large size that this altar demands.  

    Some unusual colors and patterns can be obtained in small sizes, that is less than one inch in diameter.  But this altar is a lot bigger than that.

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    There is plenty to complain about this altar/crucifix/background art.

    The Crucifix is completely un-traditional at best, and evil at worst.

    Our Lord's face is facing forward, rather than leaning to one side. His LEFT FOOT is over the right, which is backwards. There is no "I.N.R.I." title at the top. And so forth.

    The arms are way too stretched and/or skinny. And the depiction of Our Lady (is that who it's supposed to be?) is unrecognizable and about as far from traditional as possible. And where is the crown of thorns? I can't see it in the picture. If there is a crown of thorns, it's been minimized to the point where it's unnoticeable.

    And the whole sphere thing is just modern art at its worst.

    And I'm going to say it: with the sunken belly and distended chest, it looks like breasts -- and combined with the very tight band of white rays, it looks like milk is squirting out into a waiting vessel. Who needs a breast pump!

    And what's with the disembodied (candy) heart? I'm pretty sure it's been explicitly forbidden by the Church to portray the (Sacred?) Heart totally disembodied from Our Lord like that.

    I'd say this Crucifix is sacrilegious. It is certainly not traditional. It's as bad as the "bent crucifix" of JP2.

    And the SSPX authorities who approved this project CERTAINLY approved of the image he painted. You don't commission an artist to work 42 days to paint "whatever he wants". A job like this costs a lot more than $200.

    It says it took him 42 days to paint this. I can't help but notice the number 42. That number has some significance in various secret societies. It's 21 times 2.

    So 42 days to make this 0 of a mural. 4-2-0. Indeed, the SSPX authorities must have been 4-2-0 (smoking pot) when they approved this trash masquerading as art.

    And I notice the altar is nice and "detached" from the wall behind it -- to facilitate saying the Novus Ordo Missae someday soon.
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    « Reply #6 on: December 18, 2015, 09:27:35 PM »
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  • Wouldn't you expect to see a crucifix rather than a painting on the wall? Where is the tabernacle going to be? I don't know about awful. It certainly is NOT awe-ful. It is exceedingly ugly. The illustration of the woman on the side looks like some sort of fairy.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 18, 2015, 09:28:26 PM »
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    And I notice the altar is nice and "detached" from the wall behind it -- to facilitate saying the Novus Ordo Missae someday soon.

    After I posted above, looking again at the picture, I realized there is no space between the altar and the 3 steps going down.  So, presuming this altar is not movable, it is installed in such a way that in order to say a traditional Mass a platform would need to be erected in front of the altar.  And as you say, the Newmass (facing the people) would be the NORMAL use of this sanctuary.

    If, on the other hand, the altar is movable, then it is able to be used for either the TLM or the Newmass.  

    In any case, I was only commenting on the altar itself, since the thread title says "AWFUL NEW ALTAR" and nobody had posted a single word about the artwork behind the altar.  

    In the TLM, the altar cloths have a skirt that goes to the floor, and so the altar is covered during Mass.  There would be no reason to have such an ornate design in the front and sides of a traditional altar, but for the Newmass and even "transitional" forms, the skirt is raised to expose the altar underneath, and then various constructions of the lower part of the altar becomes a consideration.  

    All in all, it appears this is built for something other than a Traditional Latin Mass.

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    « Reply #8 on: December 18, 2015, 09:33:06 PM »
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  • This is the second new SSPX facility this year to "coincidentally" have an altar that isn't against the wall. Does anyone have pictures of the new church in Michigan? Hopefully they've dodged the trend.

    If I were an organization dedicated to promoting the TLM, I'd want people to know exactly what sort of Mass was said in a church the minute they walked through the door. The convertible altar look just leaves one to wonder.
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...

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    « Reply #9 on: December 18, 2015, 09:33:52 PM »
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  • Just in case something happens to the original image, I'm archiving the photo here on CathInfo.

    I think this is another example of the SSPX doing the BARE MINIMUM of keeping "the people" happy -- i.e., saying the TLM on Sunday -- but not making themselves "weird" in the eyes of The World any more than they absolutely have to. For example, having a traditional altar, crucifix, or "Traditional Latin Mass" on your chapel signage. Those things are seen ALL WEEK, whereas the Tridentine Mass every Sunday is only an hour or so.

    Think about it. I, for one, see a pattern.

    Remember also that Europe is MUCH MORE LIBERAL than the United States at this time. And the SSPX leadership is headquartered in Europe, and made up of Europeans exclusively. That is the problem with the SSPX in a nutshell.

    YES there are nice SSPX priests here in America. But they are on a doomed vessel. Eventually they will either CEASE to be "good" or they will join the Resistance. Those are the only two choices.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 18, 2015, 09:39:01 PM »
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  • Contrast the picture (above) with a few images of TRADITIONAL altars.

    You know, for offering the Traditional Latin (Tridentine) Mass.
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    « Reply #11 on: December 18, 2015, 09:41:47 PM »
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  • The Last Supper on the altar is quite common -- I grew up at a chapel that had that. I think it's quite appropriate for a Traditional altar.

    It's very Novus Ordo to have an ornate but bare table for an altar.

    What's wrong with gothic? If it ain't broke, don't fix it!  Isn't that the essence of being Traditional? And being against that way of thinking ("oh, but WE can improve on it!", "Mary is ALWAYS in blue. That's so boring!") is the essence of Modernism.
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    « Reply #12 on: December 18, 2015, 09:45:08 PM »
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  • Don't blame the artist ... he's capable of much better!
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...

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    « Reply #13 on: December 18, 2015, 09:47:53 PM »
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  • I wonder if this Altar was saved?

    It was For Sale and if it was not sold after a certain date, it would be
    destroyed.

    That is all I know about it.

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    « Reply #14 on: December 18, 2015, 09:53:01 PM »
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