Dear cassini,

I am stunned, that an informed Catholic could be so distortedly misinformed about such serious matters regarding our times.

Firstly, there would be no Hamas but, for the ongoing 60 year theft and murder perpetrated upon these folks by a group of European thugs who are endangering the whole of God's earthly creation with their bizzare thinking and animalistic drives.

Secondly, your comments sound as though they  were lifted directly  from the pages of the New York Times, and yet you find this reason enough to criticize Neil for giving his opinion about the contrast of the two Bishop's makeup?

What Bishop Williamson is speaking of is not "resistance propaganda", it is simply an application of Christian thinking to the movement of Satan's children in our own times.

I fully agree!

Thumbs up.

Hello Neil. αnтι-ѕємιтє to me is someone who has some problem with Jews today.

Well, I have a HUGE problem with them, so put me down.

And, by the way, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with such a position for a good Catholic.

The problem with the epithet "Anti-semitic", like the term "racism", is that it's never defined and is constantly fluid.

Hatred is a sin. (Example: "I hate Jews")

Opposing evil is NOT a sin. (Example: "Israel is wantonly murdering Palestinians.")

Get it?

But I'm not going to argue with you. I don't waste my time. I have better things to do, even on Sunday.

trying to get his readers to think it is a good Catholic exercise to see all evil coming from the Jєωιѕн side.

I and others can't help that the тαℓмυdic Jews are the devil's right-hand men at the moment. That's not our fault.

Seriously, Cassini. You show a shameful ignorance of the world and how it works. I hope you're significantly younger than me, for that would justify it a bit, but I doubt it. I'm only in my late 30's and I understand the world far better than many Baby Boomers, very sad to say.

Have you ever read quotes from some of the higher-ups among them? They believe non-Jews are as far below them as insects are below human beings! They believe that the life of a non-Jew/gentile/goy (cow) is worth nothing.

They want 9/10ths of the world to be eliminated so they can more easily control the rest.

And the тαℓмυdic (satanic) Jews also yearn for the day when all men will be their slaves, where there is no freedom (to be Catholic, for example) or private property -- when they finally consolidate their power, it will be said truthfully that all things belong to them.

And you have no problem with this?

There are two sets of propaganda, always, in every conflict. I have pondered on both. I am certain Hamas are more evil in their tactics than the Israelis.
There is no doubt they place their rocket launchers in built up areas, especially near schools and safe houses. They know exactly what will happen to the people living in the areas when the Israelis respond to their rocket attacks. Were they to go into the desert away from their people whom they represent, far fewer would be killed.
When their children are killed that is their propaganda weapon.

You may have tried to ponder on both sides (and there could be more that two sides), but obviously you have failed in doing so impartially.

You say "there is no doubt they place their rocket launchers […] near schools and safe houses".

How did you reach such certainty?  Have you been there?  Have you seen so?

I know persons who have been there for months and some even for years.  They say it is a common practice that the Israeli army uses Palestinians as human shields, abducting them and making them visible while they advance and invade or attack.

The Isrealis say either they destroy these rocket launching sites and amo-dumps where they are or their own Jєωιѕн civilians will be blown up by the Hamas rockets. But they have no choice in the positions of the rocket launchers. That is their propaganda.

Oh, yes.  They have a choice:  To return the land that is not theirs;  To stop treating Palestinians as infra human beings; to stop blocking Gaza.

Now if one were neutral and abhored killing, especially the killing of ordinary people and children, as every Catholic is expected to be, it cannot be denied that the Hamas tactic is most evil. That is my position.

How come you state it cannot be denied.  Is it a dogma?  That might be your position, but that does not mean it is true.

The Palestinians are just trying to recover what is theirs and they have to fight alone, while Israelis are backed by the most powerful countries, so they have much better weapons and technology and a much better trained army.

I made it quite clear in my initial post that THIS conflict began when five Jєωιѕн teenagers were captured and executed. THIS conflict, this latest tit-for-tat killing.
Do not try to base it on history, for we can both go back with that tit-for tat. I was alive when the Islamic states attacked Isreal in the 1950s, and that could be a start if you want to play that who began the war game.

What you call "this conflict" happens to be part of a very long war.  If you are honest and really try to understand the problem and to discuss it seriously, you cannot isolate the events of the last weeks.

The fact that you were alive in 1950 does not change anything.  Were you old enough by that time to know what was going on?  In 1950 were you aware of where Palestine was?  Did you know then that a piece of Palestine had been taken away from Palestinians two year before to create a new country.

Do you know that such new country has invaded many times what remains of Palestine to take more and more land each time?  Do you think all that trouble is because five teenagers were kidnapped and then murdered?

Do you know that Israel has accepted that Hamas was not responsible for such kidnapping and murders?  Of course now it is too late for such acceptance.  And one may wonder if the Israelis did not use the kidnapped boys as an excuse to invade (once again) Palestine?

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Any reference to the "rockets" that the Palestinians are accused of firing from "bases" within residential communities ought to recall a few facts:

~  These 'rockets' are mostly home-made contraptions of very low technology.

~  These 'rockets' are often fired from residential neighborhoods because that's where they were made, at home.

~  These 'rockets' usually do not have much destructive potential, IF ANY.

~  These 'rockets' have been numerous over the past 13 years, as the MSM reports.

~  But how many people have these 'rockets' killed?  In 13 years, less than 30 people.

~  What has been the RETALIATION for these 'rockets' over the past 13 years?

~  Over 6,000 Palestinians have been slaughtered like cattle by the Israelis for this.

Therefore, home-made 'rockets' that do practically no damage are the 'horrible' crime that Israel uses to 'justify' the open slaughter of Palestinians, and the reason for this disparity and unreasonable reaction is, that the Israelis consider themselves to be literally superior in every way to the Palestinians, and the life one Israeli is thought to be 'worth' an inestimable number of Palestinian (read: goyim) lives.


~  IOW, it wouldn't matter if all the rockets combined had killed only ONE Israeli,
.  .  .  because to the Israelis, only ONE of them is justification for all-out war.  


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I am aware of the history of the area, and a prophesy that the Jews will return to their original homeland, before being converted to Christ before the end of the world. So Israel will survive to convert, take God's word on that.

I'd love to hear some scripture and verse corroborating this theory of yours.   the return of the Jews to their "original homeland, (sic) before being converted to Christ," has no scriptural basis at all, in my reading of the Bible anyway.   Israel is a sh---y little country descended chiefly from a race of Turkic nomads who pretend to be real Jews, but are not. (Apoc. 2:9; Apoc. 3:9)  Palestine will never be a "homeland" for the jews again under an entirely abrogated Old Covenant.  And most certainly, Palestine will not be a "homeland"  for a bunch of East European тαℓмυdic imposters.  That covenant shan't ever be renewed.  So any alleged provisions in the OT for their return are null and void.  There must, of course, be a remnant of real Jews descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.  But I believe they will be few in number, and they will have already been converted to Christ.
I don't think the average SSPX priest has a clue about these things.  The superior general, Bp Fellay, certainly does not.  Either that, or he's afraid to admit or talk about what he knows to be true about the modern judaics.  Bp. Wiliamson has the courage to express the truth on this matter.  Bp. Fellay does not, IMHO.

Maybe you are right hollinsworth, but as long as I have been aware of biblical history I have been hearing of this prophesy. I may have seen some reference but cannot be sure. I recall explicedly that the prophesy came true in the year prophesised for this return. I remember it enhanced my faith in the Bible at the time.

Please consider where you may have picked up such "biblical history." The idea of a prophesied "return" of modern Jews to Palestine comes from the gloss in the margins of the Scoefield Reference Bible, not from scripture itself. This ideology was imported from London into America's Protestant Seminaries more than 100 years ago. It has become a foundational tenet of faith for the majority of conservative American Protestants.

Here is an explanation of what happened from an anti-Scoefield Protestant point of view:



Mohammedanism is a false and barbaric religion, but never forget that most of "radical Islam" today is underwritten by the Zionist US government and their Saudi allies.

This is a sermon by a Fr Campbell:-


Seventh Sunday after Pentecost, July 27, 2014
What’s Not in the Bible!
 
Since the time of the Apostles, the Holy Catholic Church has preached the Gospel by the authority granted it by Jesus Christ. The Church was preaching the Gospel years before the Four Gospels were written down, and has continued to this day to fulfill Our Lord’s command to “preach the gospel to every creature” (Mk.16:15).
 
The Church collected the Scriptures that make up the Bible. But the heretic, Martin Luther (1483-1546), weeded out some of the books of the Bible he didn’t like, and the Protestant version of the Bible was born. The Bible itself was then touted as the sole authority subject to the “private interpretation” of the believer, thus denying the Church’s authority to preach the Gospel and interpret the Scriptures. However, it seems “the believers” are willing to believe much that is not to be found in the Bible.
 
No doubt many of us are puzzled by the strange phenomenon of Christian Zionism. Many Evangelical Christians, like the Baptists, the Pentecostals and the Charismatics, are enthusiastic supporters of Jєωιѕн Zionism, although not all Jews are Zionists, and many of them dispute the Zionist claims.
 
The Jєωιѕн Zionist Movement was founded by Theodor Herzl in 1897. Its chief aim was the creation of a Jєωιѕн homeland in the territory defined as the “Land of Israel” in the Bible. The Temple would eventually be rebuilt, and the ancient religious rites resumed. Since they believe they have a right to the lands promised to Abraham by God, the Zionists have little sympathy for the Palestinians, who were squeezed into the West Bank and the Gaza strip after the creation of the Jєωιѕн State of Israel in 1948. Misusing Old Testament Scriptures, the Jєωιѕн Zionists believe they are destined to rule the world.
 
So what could have turned famous Protestant preachers like Billy Graham, Hal Lindsay, John Hagee and Pat Robertson, into Christian Zionists, enthusiastic supporters of the aims of Jєωιѕн Zionism? Could it have been – the Scofield Bible?
 
The Scofield Reference Bible is widely used in Protestant seminaries, especially among Evangelicals, such as Baptists, Pentecostals and Charismatics. Recently someone sent me an article by a Mr. C.E. Carlson about the Scofield Bible, which seems to get to the root of the problem. Much of what follows is from Mr. Carlson (http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/carlson01.htm).
 
One of the schemes of the Jєωιѕн Zionists was to alter the Christian view of Zionism by creating and promoting a pro-Zionist subculture within Christianity. One Cyrus I. Scofield (1843-1921) was funded by Zionist agents to re-write the King James Version of the Bible by inserting Zionist-friendly notes in the margins, between verses and chapters, and on the bottoms of the pages. It was first published in 1909 by Oxford University Press, which still holds the copyright.
 
Scofield produced a revolutionary book that radically changed the context of the King James Version. Oxford's promoters made the Scofield Bible, with its Christian Zionist footnotes, a standard for interpreting scripture in Christian churches, seminaries, and Bible study groups. And they all followed like sheep – even Hagee, Lindsay, Robertson, Van Impe, and the revered Billy Graham. So much for private interpretation!
 
After Scofield’s death, the Oxford University Press turned the Scofield Bible into a manual for the Christian worship of the State of Israel. Scofields’s un-Christian anti-Arab theology has permitted the theft of Palestine and 54 years of death and destruction against the Palestinians, with hardly a complaint from the ʝʊdɛօ-Christian mass media evangelists or most other American church leaders, including the so-called U. S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.
 
In his Epistle to the Galatians, St. Paul contradicts the claims of the Scofield Bible:
 
“The promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. He does not say, ‘And to his offsprings,’ as of many; but as of one, ‘And to his offspring,’ who is Christ… For you are all the children of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all who have been baptized into Christ, have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek; there is neither slave nor freeman; there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are the offspring of Abraham, heirs according to promise” (Gal.3:15b,16;26-29).
 
This makes it clear that to be a blood relative descended from Abraham is of no advantage to those who do not have faith in Jesus Christ. And Scofield and the Oxford University Press are liars when they try to prove that those who are known today as “Jews” are the heirs to the promises of Abraham. We read this whopper on page 1136 of the 1967 edition: “All Jews are natural descendants of Abraham…”
 
This is absolutely false and absurd. The great majority of the so-called Jews who control Israel today are not descendants of Abraham at all. They are the αѕнкenαzι Jews, descendants of the Khazars of Eastern Europe. They are imposters, with no right to the lands of the Bible! Although known as “Jews” they are such neither by blood nor by religion, because the Jєωιѕн religion their ancestors adopted in the eighth century is not the true religion of the ancient Jews of the time of Christ, but the false тαℓмυdic Judaism which blasphemes Jesus Christ and deifies the Jєωιѕн race.
 
And on page 19 we find this blatant lie: “God made an unconditional promise of blessings through Abram’s seed… to the Nation of Israel to inherit a specific territory forever.”
 
What a deception! The televangelists and their huge following have accepted this abominable lie, and have led the whole country into vassalage to the Godless modern State of Israel. Jesus Christ is Abraham’s heir, not the State of Israel. The promises God made to Abraham are fulfilled in Jesus Christ. The Jєωιѕн Zionists have no true understanding of the Scriptures. And who would have thought that the “Bible believing Christians” would have stumbled after them into the darkness?
 
“Did you never read in the Scriptures,” said Our Lord to the Pharisees: “‘The stone which the builders rejected, has become the corner stone; by the Lord this has been done, and it is wonderful in our eyes’? Therefore I say to you, that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and will be given to a people yielding its fruits” (Mt.21:42,43).
 
St. Paul understood it well:
 
“You are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Christ Jesus himself as the chief corner stone. In him the whole structure is closely fitted together and grows into a temple holy in the Lord, in him you too are being built together into a dwelling place for God in the Spirit” (Eph.2:20-22).

Thank you Francisco, for clearing up that error planted in my mind long ago. Never really understood the different kinds of Jews in the world, now in Israel.
Is it also a myth that they will be converted before the end of the world?

Fr. Campbell's sermon:

“The promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. He does not say, ‘And to his offsprings,’ as of many; but as of one, ‘And to his offspring,’ who is Christ… For you are all the children of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all who have been baptized into Christ, have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek; there is neither slave nor freeman; there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are the offspring of Abraham, heirs according to promise” (Gal.3:15b,16;26-29).

 This makes it clear that to be a blood relative descended from Abraham is of no advantage to those who do not have faith in Jesus Christ. And Scofield and the Oxford University Press are liars when they try to prove that those who are known today as “Jews” are the heirs to the promises of Abraham. We read this whopper on page 1136 of the 1967 edition: “All Jews are natural descendants of Abraham…”

Thank you for this, Francisco. I was basically raised on Schofieldism.  The  notes of the Schofield Bible provided a lot of the thinking under which we grew up.  If I'm not mistaken, "Dispensationalism" is the cockamamie theological system of much of Protestant Fundamentalism, and, I believe, is the theology developed in the Schofield Bible.  
One has only to read Galations, particularly the passage cited, in order to realize that our descent from Abraham, be we Jew or Gentile, is traced spiritually through Jesus Christ.  "There is neither Jew nor Greek."  But  the evil тαℓмυdic Khazars, who make up the lion's share of today's Judaic community, lie to us on two fronts:
1) That they are somehow descended from the ancient Hebrew race.  N.B. Even in Jesus' day, those jews who rightfully claimed descent from Abraham did not, even by that blood lineage,  impress Our Lord very much.  He informed them that he could fashion such sons of Abraham from the stones of the ground.
2) That they have a "right of return" to the Holy Land granted through prophetic Scriptures of the OT.  This is the biggest whopper of them all!