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Offline Neil Obstat

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« on: August 19, 2012, 09:56:35 AM »
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  • A recent recommends The Catechism of the
    Crisis in the Church
    which is currently available on the Angelus website for
    $17.95. In Fr's sermon, only two months ago, he said it was $16.95, so it's already
    gone up one dollar! It must be in demand.





    There is another book, I Accuse the Council! by ABL, $10.95, which is "Out of
    Stock" on Angelus. I have read about calls to Angelus in which the sales people
    cannot answer about reprinting, for they say it is not scheduled for reprinting.
    They have recommended checking individual book stores to see if a copy is still
    on the shelf somewhere.

    I looked for it in Amazon and found 2 new copies for $75 each -- looks like a
    valuable item! :

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    « Reply #1 on: August 19, 2012, 10:06:41 AM »
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  • There is also a series of articles on sspxasia.com on the errors of V2. starting with Jan 2003.  I've not tried to post a link before so if it does not show up go their site, click on library, click on si si no no, scroll down to Jan 2003 for the first one.

    Marsha

    Si si, No no


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    « Reply #2 on: August 19, 2012, 04:58:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat

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     :facepalm:

    Come on, M, stop gouging your fellow Trads and give the man your book.
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson

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    « Reply #3 on: August 19, 2012, 05:19:11 PM »
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     :facepalm:

    Come on, M, stop gouging your fellow Trads and give the man your book.

    You know this guy MD?? :gandalf:

    Tell him we might buy his book but give him negative feedback!

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    Wait.... that's eBay.... sorry  :tinfoil:
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    « Reply #4 on: August 19, 2012, 05:34:31 PM »
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     :facepalm:

    Come on, M, stop gouging your fellow Trads and give the man your book.

    You know this guy MD?? :gandalf:



    The second one is cetainly him. The first describes him too, but not certain about that one.

    I don't really know him, but know of him. He's a never-posted-before member here, so maybe he'll see my note.
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    « Reply #5 on: August 20, 2012, 02:28:58 AM »
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    There is another book, I Accuse the Council! by ABL, $10.95, which is "Out of
    Stock" on Angelus. I have read about calls to Angelus in which the sales people
    cannot answer about reprinting, for they say it is not scheduled for reprinting.
    They have recommended checking individual book stores to see if a copy is still
    on the shelf somewhere.

    I looked for it in Amazon and found 2 new copies for $75 each -- looks like a
    valuable item! :



    I was wondering if this book can be found in another language, say French or German?  

    (There have got to be more ways than one to get this information!  Being hi-jacked for a $75 English copy is not my idea of right!)

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    « Reply #6 on: August 20, 2012, 11:14:40 AM »
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  • Someone is selling a copy of I Accuse the Council on ebay for almost $1700.  I knew I should have bought a bunch when I could.   :scratchchin:

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    « Reply #7 on: August 20, 2012, 11:40:32 AM »
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  • Quote from: Marlelar
    There is also a series of articles on sspxasia.com on the errors of V2. starting with Jan 2003.  I've not tried to post a link before so if it does not show up go their site, click on library, click on si si no no, scroll down to Jan 2003 for the first one.

    Marsha

    Si si, No no


    There is a growing thread on this content of that Si Si No No from 2003:

    What-Happened-at-Vatican-II ?!?!

    We all should go to the DICI website linked in the thread and read the pages,
    because there are 7 installments, and it's rather miraculous that they are still
    viewable. +Fellay is systematically trouncing such information from the websites
    he tyrannizes with his neo-Concilarism afoot.

    It's part of the ongoing auto-demolition of the Church now in progress.
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    « Reply #8 on: August 23, 2012, 12:29:33 AM »
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  • Quote from: bvmknight
    Someone is selling a copy of I Accuse the Council on ebay for almost $1700.  I knew I should have bought a bunch when I could.   :scratchchin:


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    $657.36 --------- Do they throw darts at a board to get these numbers?
                             Or do they use an astrology chart?

    Note: Seller "just launched" -- must be hoping to cash in on the buying craze.
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    « Reply #9 on: August 23, 2012, 04:06:58 AM »
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  • Gee! at the rate the prices keeps increasing, better titled it "I ACCUSE THE SELLERS". For crying out loud. The last I saw this book in our chapel book stall cost only SGD$17. I better grab it before its gone.
    "It is impious to say, 'I respect every religion.' This is as much as to say: I respect the devil as much as God, vice as much as virtue, falsehood as much as truth, dishonesty as much as honesty, Hell as much as Heaven."
    Fr. Michael Muller, The Church and Her Enemies

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    « Reply #10 on: August 23, 2012, 08:12:48 AM »
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  • Quote from: Maria Elizabeth
    Quote from: Neil Obstat

    There is another book, I Accuse the Council! by ABL, $10.95, which is "Out of
    Stock" on Angelus. I have read about calls to Angelus in which the sales people
    cannot answer about reprinting, for they say it is not scheduled for reprinting.
    They have recommended checking individual book stores to see if a copy is still
    on the shelf somewhere.

    I looked for it in Amazon and found 2 new copies for $75 each -- looks like a
    valuable item! :



    I was wondering if this book can be found in another language, say French or German?  

    (There have got to be more ways than one to get this information!  Being hi-jacked for a $75 English copy is not my idea of right!)


    In Polish:
    http://www.tedeum.pl/tytul/569,Oskarzam-sobor


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    « Reply #11 on: August 23, 2012, 10:22:08 AM »
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  • Quote from: Maria Elizabeth
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    There is another book, I Accuse the Council! by ABL, $10.95, which is "Out of Stock" on Angelus. ...

    I was wondering if this book can be found in another language, say French or German?  


    Yes, the German translation of Archbishop Lefebvre's I accuse the Council is still available for 10 Euros:

    Marcel Lefebvre, Ich klage das Konzil an!


    This is the new edition of the classic book, with a new blah-blah foreword from Fr Schmidberger (he does this kind of territory marking all the time with books from good authors), but the book's content i.e. what the Archbishop said, is still the same. I checked it. And I separated the foreword with a sharp knife.



    Quote from: Neil
    A recent Trinity Sunday sermon by Fr. Girouard recommends The Catechism of the Crisis in the Church which is currently available on the Angelus website for $17.95. In Fr's sermon, only two months ago, he said it was $16.95, so it's already gone up one dollar! It must be in demand.

    There must be some error here?
    Because the book "The Catechism of the Crisis in the Church" in its original German edition is no good. It's the "updated" edition, compatible with the intended sellout of the SSPX and updated by the author himself: the German liberal SSPX priest Fr Matthias Gaudron.

    Fr Gaudron is a buddy of the Judaizer Max Krah (see Krah's old Facebook -- snapshots of it are on the Internet). Fr Gaudron works for the sellout of the SSPX to Newrome and he loves to use modernistic Newchurch terms like "lively tradition", etc.
    Also Fr Gaudron is one of the most vicious enemies of Bishop Williamson in the German SSPX district. (For example in a vulgar anti-Christian TV show in 2009 he teamed up with the anti-Christian TV moderator and the famous vicious 'German' Jєω Mr Broder to attack the good Bishop in a very low-life way. It was absolutely disgusting.)

    Maybe you're talking about an older English translation which was corrected by the translators? :-)

    Anyway, I can only warn against listening to Fr Gaudron or his work.
    Better stay with Archbishop Lefebvre and his clear words!

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    « Reply #12 on: August 23, 2012, 12:22:02 PM »
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  • Ethelred:

    I have not read the book itself, I was just relaying what Fr. Girouard has said in his
    Trinity Sunday video:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhBAcf922tw


    When you type >> the catechism of the crisis in the church << into Google the first 3 sites reference
    the book by that title by ABL, and the 4th site is a link to this YouTube video of
    Fr. Girouard's Trinity Sunday sermon.


    12:00 Fr. Girouard recommends going back to a time when the SSPX taught a
    clear message that was opposed to the errors of Vatican II. He says that there are
    a number of books that the Society has made available on this subject, but of them
    all, this is the best one: The Catechism of the Crisis in the Church, written
    by Fr. Matthias Gaudron, "a French -- so sometimes they do something good?" So,
    for a year or something it was only in French. I have here from Bishop Fellay saying
    that he wishes this book to be available in English.

    He goes on saying it's in the new Angelus catalog for $16.95. I checked and found
    it for $17.95.

    He says that each member of every household should read this book. It is no
    longer enough to pray the Catholic prayers and go to Mass. We must educate
    ourselves about current events, and this book fills that need. He explains how
    Pope St. Pius X showed us that one page can be very traditional and the next
    page can be the Modernist heresy, so we must learn.

    He gives several examples, taking quotes from the book:

    Q: Can it be said that the Council was a revolution in the Church?
    A: Some of its own defenders themselves proclaim
    that the Council was a revolution in the Church. Cardinal Suenens says that
    the Council was theFrench Revolution in the Church. Vatican II was 1789 in
    the Church. Fr. Yves Congar, compared the Council to the Bolshevik Revolution,
    from October, 1917: "The Church has peacefully undergone its October Revolution

    Collegiality: 19:55 The principle of episcopal collegiality rises in opposition to
    the exercise of authority. The pope and the bishops must no longer use their
    power, but they must guide the Church collegially, or collectively. The idea of
    equality as propagated by the French Revolution has been imposed. It is based
    on the false notion of Rousseaux. Rousseaux is a very bad French philosopher,
    who had very bad ideas, and he paved the way to the French Revolution.
    Rousseaux, which denied the existence of an authority willed by God. And
    attributed all power to the people. This theory is contrary to the teaching of the
    Holy Scripture, St. Paul in Romans chapter 13. Quote: Let every soul be subject
    to higher powers, for there is no power but from God, and those that are, are
    ordained of God.

    So now you have that error, that the Pope is no longer the supreme power, and
    the bishop in their own diocese is no longer the supreme power, but now they
    have to consult with everybody. They have to have their agreement.

    ...progress in the modern world... 21:53

    Gaudium et spes .... according to the opinions of believers and unbelievers alike,
    that all things on earth should be related to man as their center and crown. That
    is a text of the council... There is no way to interpret that in a traditional manner.
    This is clearly against God.

    ...therefore, Christians are exhorted to work with all men to a building of a more
    human world. This is exact Communist theory, to build a pardaise on earth.

    Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger called this docuмent a counter syllabus. What does
    that mean? That refers to a docuмent of Pope Pius IX, called the Syllabus, that
    means a collection, a Syllabus of Modern Errors, so, Pope Pius collected the
    modern errors that were spread in his days, in 1850's, already, and analyzed
    them and condemned them. And now, Cardinal Ratzinger says that this docuмent
    of Vatican II, Gaudium et spes, is a "counter Syllabus," and that's true, he was
    right. This docuмent of Vatican II positively affirms that which Pius IX denied
    and condemned. In the catalogue of errors established in 1864.

    Second question: Did Cardinal Ratzinger explain why he described Gaudium et
    spes as a "counter syllabus?" The Cardinal justified his analogy by explaining that
    in the 1960's the Church appropriated, that means made their own, quote, "The
    best values of two centuries of liberal culture." Values which he says, "originate
    outside the Church." But now they have found a place within. A counter Syllabus.
    What has been condemned by Pius IX has been now integrated in the Church.

    What about religious liberty? preceding pages who condemned it... popes always
    condemned them every time...

    Answer: the religious liberty of Vatican II several of these condemnations. In
    Quanta Cura ... by our predecessor Gregory XVI an insanity...26:50

    ...etc...

    Fr. Girouard gives no hint that this book contains problematic teaching.
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    « Reply #13 on: August 23, 2012, 12:34:55 PM »
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  • The stupid "ink" dried again. Typo:

    When you type >> the catechism of the crisis in the church << into Google the first 3 sites reference
    the book by that title by  ABL , and the 4th site is a link to this YouTube video of
    Fr. Girouard's Trinity Sunday sermon.


    That should say "that title by Fr. Matthias Gaudron (Angelus Press)"
    because Fr. Girouard quotes from the book and the title and author
    are written in the description on the YouTube page as follows:

    ATTENTION LISTENERS: The real important part of the sermon starts after the first 12 minutes. Catechism of the Crisis in the Church by Father Matthias Gaudron (Angelus Press) http://angeluspress.org/Catechism-of-the-Crisis
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    « Reply #14 on: August 23, 2012, 05:48:53 PM »
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  • The Undermining of the Catholic Church
    ~ Mary Martinez Ball

    From Omni Christian Book Club (http://www.omnicbc.com) for $15.

    Perhaps the most important book regarding V2 and the circuмstances that led up to it.    

    It addresses the "Pope John's Council Myth".  Namely that all was well in the Church until the "council" was hijacked by the "bad guys" (Ratzinger el al).

    Menzingen does not want you to read this book!