Author Topic: Authority Crippled II (Read 14731 times)

magdalena · « **Reply #30 on:** June 29, 2013, 07:31:06 AM »

I agree with Machabees. And Sean Johnson thinks he's misunderstood? What's up with the "Resistance?" Perhaps trads think we are in safe waters now that +Fellay has done this supposed about face. ABL chose four bishops. They weren't random choices. He chose them because he believed they could take his place if need be to lead the SSPX as bishops are given the task to do. We're not talking about jurisdiction here, and we're not talking about disobedience to a superior. We're talking about a simple shepherding of the flock. And the flock is in desperate need of this. As is, the sheep are wandering hither and thither.

John Grace · « **Reply #31 on:** June 29, 2013, 07:33:47 AM »

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What's up with the "Resistance?" Perhaps trads think we are in safe waters now that +Fellay has done this supposed about face.

A good comment. There needs to be more action.

Ambrose · « **Reply #32 on:** June 29, 2013, 07:54:33 AM »

Shepherding the flock is part of jurisdiction. No human authority can rule over or shepherd the flock. Only those with a mission can do this.

It is clear to me what Bp. Williamson is saying, and I only respect him more for this.

magdalena · « **Reply #33 on:** June 29, 2013, 08:09:49 AM »

Quote from: Ambrose

Shepherding the flock is part of jurisdiction. No human authority can rule over or shepherd the flock. Only those with a mission can do this.

It is clear to me what Bp. Williamson is saying, and I only respect him more for this.

That's true. But we are not in normal times, and our souls are in peril.

[11] I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd giveth his life for his sheep. [12] But the hireling, and he that is not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and flieth: and the wolf catcheth, and scattereth the sheep: [13] And the hireling flieth, because he is a hireling: and he hath no care for the sheep. [14] I am the good shepherd; and I know mine, and mine know me. [15] As the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father: and I lay down my life for my sheep.

John 10:11-15

magdalena · « **Reply #34 on:** June 29, 2013, 08:17:17 AM »

shep·herd
[shep-erd]

noun
1.
a person who herds, tends, and guards sheep.

2.
a person who protects, guides, or watches over a person or group of people.

3.
a member of the clergy.

4.
the Shepherd, Jesus Christ.

5.
sheepdog.

Zeitun · « **Reply #35 on:** June 29, 2013, 08:18:01 AM »

You are hitching your wagon to the wrong horse--he won't run.

People need to accept this cross. Bishop Wiliamson is telling the Resistance it would seem for the last time that he is NOT going to lead [i[]n the way that they want.[/i] He's asked for patience and that is his command if you blockheads would comply this cross would be lighter for you.

magdalena · « **Reply #36 on:** June 29, 2013, 08:36:15 AM »

Quote from: Zeitun

You are hitching your wagon to the wrong horse--he won't run.... Bishop Wiliamson is telling the Resistance it would seem for the last time that he is NOT going to lead....
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What you say is true. I've been saying it all along. +Williamson has no intention to lead. Trads better start placing their hopes somewhere else.

Our Lady of Perpetual Help, pray for us.

Domitilla · « **Reply #37 on:** June 29, 2013, 08:41:39 AM »

Magdalena's analysis of this sad situation is spot on.

Zeitun · « **Reply #38 on:** June 29, 2013, 08:46:47 AM »

Quote from: Numbers 32:13-15

And the Lord being angry against Israel, led them about through the desert forty years, until the whole generation, that had done evil in his sight, was consumed. 14 And behold, said he, you are risen up instead of your fathers, the increase and offspring of sinful men, to augment the fury of the Lord against Israel. 15 For if you will not follow him, he will leave the people in the wilderness, end you shall be the cause of the destruction of all.

Tiffany · « **Reply #39 on:** June 29, 2013, 08:54:59 AM »

God gave the dying breath of true Church authority to Archbishop Lefebvre,

What about the priests/Bishops outside of the SSPX who rejected VII? That just stood out to me.

Zeitun · « **Reply #40 on:** June 29, 2013, 08:57:19 AM »

Quote from: Tiffany

God gave the dying breath of true Church authority to Archbishop Lefebvre,

What about the priests/Bishops outside of the SSPX who rejected VII? That just stood out to me.

And what does it mean to you? I took it as a positive.

Machabees · « **Reply #41 on:** June 29, 2013, 09:15:21 AM »

Quote from: Charlotte NC Bill

Regardless...I believe once the SSPXMC has a seminary and after a little more time has passsed ( with no real changes within the SSPX back to the ArchBp's SSPX ) he WILL lead it.

If a father of a family stated that he does not want to lead, and acted so, is it alright?

Why the "hope" for the "hope"?

At what cost is it to constantly put off what the "father" needs to do to take care of his family -less many of his children get eaten by the wolf in between?

Machabees · « **Reply #42 on:** June 29, 2013, 09:17:26 AM »

Quote from: Elsa Zardini

Machabees, Do you really believe Monseñor Williamson is a "Jonas"? But, in my ignorant opinion, please keep posting. You are needed. :thinking:

I believe, like every Catholic should, that he is a Consecrated Bishop of the Catholic Church and needs to function like one.

Zeitun · « **Reply #43 on:** June 29, 2013, 09:23:04 AM »

Function as a bishop?

Like go to Menzingen and punch Fellay in the face?

Storm the Vatican and sit on the Papal throne?

How about limiting himself to consecrating new bishops (which he said he will do), ordain new priests (which he said he will do), perform confirmations (which he is currently doing), teach from the pulpit (EC), and continue to condemn modernism?

I'm pretty satisfied that this bishop is leading.

magdalena · « **Reply #44 on:** June 29, 2013, 09:26:39 AM »

Quote from: Zeitun

Quote from: Numbers 32:13-15
And the Lord being angry against Israel, led them about through the desert forty years, until the whole generation, that had done evil in his sight, was consumed. 14 And behold, said he, you are risen up instead of your fathers, the increase and offspring of sinful men, to augment the fury of the Lord against Israel. 15 For if you will not follow him, he will leave the people in the wilderness, end you shall be the cause of the destruction of all.

And the post-conciliar reform has been going on for forty-plus years now. We are truly in a desert. And deservedly so.