Author Topic: Attend the SSPX? Read this. (Read 14123 times)

Centroamerica · « **Reply #10 on:** August 18, 2015, 08:08:54 PM »

“The conciliar church is a schismatic church!”
In 1971, 5 years before the “conciliar church” of Bishop Benelli, the same Fr. Calmel O.P.denounced in the French review Itineraires, the “new church that Vatican II has tried to show,the new post-vaticanesque church” and explained:

“The false church which is showing itself amongst us since the curious Vatican II is diverging tangibly year after year, from the Church founded by Jesus Christ. The false post-conciliar church is splitting away more and more from the holy Church which has saved souls for twenty centuries (not to mention the support and enlightenment lent to civil society). The pseudo-church in construction splits away more and more from the true Church, the only Church of Jesus Christ, by the most strange innovations in the hierarchical constitution as well as in its teachings and morals 21.”
The expressions “false church”, “pseudo church” are very strong. And the verb “split away” indicates a formal mutation of a part of the Church, which detaches itself from the Catholic sphere to stray formally outside it. Father Calmel was truly a prophet. It was only five years later, after having received the famous letter of Bishop Benelli and having been struck by Paul VI with a a divinis suspension, that Archbishop Lefebvre affirmed even more forcefully the existence of this “counter church”, qualifying it as “schismatic”:

“How could it be more clear?! From now on it is the conciliar church one must obey and be faithful to , and not to the Catholic Church. This is precisely our problem. We are suspended a divinis by the conciliar church, of which we do not want to be a part. This conciliar church is a schismatic church, because it breaks with the Catholic Church of all time. It has it’s new dogmas 22, it’s new priesthood 23, it’s new institutions24, it’s new liturgy25, already condemned by the Church in many official and definitive docuмents. This is why the founders of the conciliar church insist on obedience to the church of today, making abstraction of the Church of yesterday, as if it didn’t exist anymore. […] The church which affirms such errors is at one and the same time heretical and schismatic. This conciliar church is therefore not Catholic. In the measure in which the Pope, the bishops, priests or faithful adhere to this new church, they separate themselves from the Catholic Church. The church of today is the true Church only in the measure in which it continues and is one with the Church of yesterday and of always. The norm for the Catholic faith is Tradition26. “

http://www.dominicansavrille.us/is-there-a-conciliar-church/

Matthew · « **Reply #11 on:** August 18, 2015, 10:44:11 PM »

And yet, if there were any ordinary jurisdiction/authority in the Church today, it would have to be in the official structures -- the Conciliar Church.

Listen to Bishop Williamson's recent sermons -- he speaks about how authority and truth have split, and caused confusion in their wake.

He classifies the Crisis in the Church as primarily a crisis of authority having split from truth. We Traditional Catholics are doing the right thing, but nevertheless we are constantly adrift (and have been for 40+ years) without any strong, paternal, objective authority over any of us.

You seem to have a mental block about understanding this, Centro.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #12 on:** August 19, 2015, 05:16:56 AM »

If it wasn't for the SSPX and the Consecrations in 1988, there wouldn't be any Latin Mass in the conciliar church parishes. In 2000, Mater Ecclesia in Berlin, NJ. The Latin Mass has grown nationwide.

How can these "gαy" parishes within have jurisdiction and not the SSPX?

Most of these novous ordo bishops are liberal and don't want the true Mass or moral teachings of the Catholic faith. For years and to this day, they tell the parishioners that SSPX is no good, unholy schismatic renegades and yet do nothing against their peers who were and are sodomists.

Stubborn · « **Reply #13 on:** August 19, 2015, 05:25:10 AM »

Excellent thread Matthew! Thank you for starting it!

In the OP, you said; "Is there really this much IGNORANCE in the world of Tradition?" to which the answer is certainly "yes".

I was at a meeting a few months ago at my SSPX chapel, after the meeting, some of the people asked the priest questions. It was by some of these questions I realized that ignorance prevails even when it comes to the most basic Catholic concepts.

One of the questions exemplifies the situation...... "What is the proper way to handle swearing on TV when children are present?"

The person asking the question is one that I've seen at Mass for at least 3 or 4 years and has a car load of always well behaved (at Mass) children. Some of the other questions asked by others present were of similar character, I mean, I heard questions I never thought trads would even ask. With questions like this, my guess is that the subject of jurisdiction is all but incomprehensible to many trads.

I'm not knocking anyone, we are all in various stages of learning, conversion and etc., but when it comes to jurisdiction, many trads misunderstand it's purpose, what it is and what it isn't.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #14 on:** August 19, 2015, 05:48:40 AM »

In regards to jurisdiction, most conciliar historical parishes closed down existed long before jurisdictions were established. For example the Camden Diocese, NJ was established in 1937.