Author Topic: Attend the SSPX? Read this. (Read 14102 times)

JPaul · « **Reply #25 on:** August 19, 2015, 08:23:45 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

Quote from: J.Paul
2Vermont,
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But couldn't one say, if one truly believes the Conciliar Church is the True Church, that we do, in fact, have a bishop that God placed over us...in every diocese?

Now, Now, let's not get carried away.....................................

How is that getting carried away? If God placed the Pope over us doesn't He also place the bishops over us as well?

I was jesting about imagining IF the conciliar entity is the True Church.

trento · « **Reply #26 on:** August 19, 2015, 11:18:51 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

If it wasn't for the SSPX and the Consecrations in 1988, there wouldn't be any Latin Mass in the conciliar church parishes. In 2000, Mater Ecclesia in Berlin, NJ. The Latin Mass has grown nationwide.

How can these "gαy" parishes within have jurisdiction and not the SSPX?

Most of these novous ordo bishops are liberal and don't want the true Mass or moral teachings of the Catholic faith. For years and to this day, they tell the parishioners that SSPX is no good, unholy schismatic renegades and yet do nothing against their peers who were and are sodomists.

This is where the error of Donatism is also prevalent among Trads. Even in Scripture, Our Lord disliked the Pharisees but still recognized that they hold the authority.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #27 on:** August 20, 2015, 12:51:53 PM »

Quote from: trento

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
If it wasn't for the SSPX and the Consecrations in 1988, there wouldn't be any Latin Mass in the conciliar church parishes. In 2000, Mater Ecclesia in Berlin, NJ. The Latin Mass has grown nationwide.

How can these "gαy" parishes within have jurisdiction and not the SSPX?

Most of these novous ordo bishops are liberal and don't want the true Mass or moral teachings of the Catholic faith. For years and to this day, they tell the parishioners that SSPX is no good, unholy schismatic renegades and yet do nothing against their peers who were and are sodomists.

This is where the error of Donatism is also prevalent among Trads. Even in Scripture, Our Lord disliked the Pharisees but still recognized that they hold the authority.

VCR isn't spouting Donatism which, paraphrasing, is the belief that a sinning priest is no longer a priest. The post-Vatican II church isn't merely a "sinning" church, it's a church with deliberately altered doctrine. That's the key difference.

I don't even think we should overly focus on the sinning, the crisis of the Church wouldn't be here if Paul VI, instead of being what he was and did what he did, instead had a wife and nine kids living somewhere nearby.

JPaul · « **Reply #28 on:** August 20, 2015, 01:44:37 PM »

Captain McQuigg,

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The post-Vatican II church isn't merely a "sinning" church, it's a church with deliberately altered doctrine.

Yes, a non-Catholic Church.

Binechi · « **Reply #29 on:** August 20, 2015, 01:58:07 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

That is why, for example, Bishop Williamson can't come out swinging a 100 lb mace and "break up fights" between various Traditional priests.

The priests would rightly say, "By whose authority?" or "Who died and made you Pope?"

Bishop Williamson can't just muscle his way into various controversies and say, "Me Bishop. You priest. You listen!"

It's not that simple. If only it were!

Let me ask the question, a little off the topic, but,

Q. Are the Novus Ordo Priests validly ordained. ?

and if so , do they have responsibility over your Soul, if as you say , the Concilior Church has "The Jurisdiction" ?