Author Topic: Atila and the TFP (Read 8195 times)

Nadir · « **Reply #15 on:** March 29, 2019, 07:20:49 PM »

Quote from: Meg on March 29, 2019, 04:30:59 PM

What exactly is "tau?" It's sounds a bit new-age. I see that it has something to do with being able to fight the revolution, but I've never heard of anything like that in Church teaching.

Excerpt from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tau

Tau is usually considered as the symbol of Franciscan orders due to St. Francis' love for it, symbol of the redemption and of the Cross. Almost all Franciscan churches have painted a tau with two crossing arms, both with stigmata, the one of Jesus and the other of Francis; usually members of the Secular Franciscan Order wear a wooden τ in a string with three knots around the neck

Tau has many other meanings, including the 19th letter of the Greek alphabet.

Incredulous · « **Reply #16 on:** March 30, 2019, 02:08:31 AM »

Let's stay on the topic here.

In most of Cera's posts, she's been trying to divert attention from the real issue, which is Jade Liboro's and the SSPX's presence in Quito.

Atila claims Jade is SSPX and has open access to the Shrine's convent since 2014 and has stayed there up to six months at time.
Also, that she's been repeatedly seen involved in the Shrine's activities. The question of "Why is she there?" is significant.

Yet, Cera says:

"All I could find out about this Catholic lady is this:
We had an apostolate in Tanay twice, assisting the faithful in St. Philomena Chapel to sing in the choir. We also helped Ate Jade Liboro in the distribution of St. Anthony's Bread for the poor in the slum areas in Payatas. Then also, we helped in the general cleaning of the Church in preparation for the grand welcome of the new prior, Fr. Adam Purdy."

Why does the content of the two accounts vary so greatly ?

Cera is Jade's SSPX friend... correct? If so, why then would Cera have such limited information?

Another interesting point is when Cera mentions Jade's connection with Fr. Purdy ?

Isn't Fr. Purdy being fingered for spearheading the SSPX campaign to discredit TIA's scholarly reputation and long friendship with the Shrine?

Many of us are familiar with Fr. Purdy. Within the SSPX corporate organization, he is a low to mid-level management man.
There is no way Fr. Purdy would act independently in his campaign to penetrate the Shrine and discredit TIA.

He is backed by Fr. Wegner, the District Superior, PR guru and no doubt, his direct superiors in Menzingen.

This is the conspiracy story at hand... :ready-to-eat:

Note to Cera: If you want to post the old TFP conspiracy trash you dug-up online, please start your own topic on it.

chrstnoel1 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 30, 2019, 03:28:35 AM »

:applause: :applause: :cheers:

Meg · « **Reply #18 on:** March 30, 2019, 05:24:25 AM »

Quote from: Incredulous on March 30, 2019, 02:08:31 AM

Let's stay on the topic here.

In most of Cera's posts, she's been trying to divert attention from the real issue, which is Jade Liboro's and the SSPX's presence in Quito.

Atila claims Jade is SSPX and has open access to the Shrine's convent since 2014 and has stayed there up to six months at time.
Also, that she's been repeatedly seen involved in the Shrine's activities. The question of "Why is she there?" is significant.

Yet, Cera says:

"All I could find out about this Catholic lady is this:
We had an apostolate in Tanay twice, assisting the faithful in St. Philomena Chapel to sing in the choir. We also helped Ate Jade Liboro in the distribution of St. Anthony's Bread for the poor in the slum areas in Payatas. Then also, we helped in the general cleaning of the Church in preparation for the grand welcome of the new prior, Fr. Adam Purdy."

Why does the content of the two accounts vary so greatly ?

Cera is Jade's SSPX friend... correct? If so, why then would Cera have such limited information?

Another interesting point is when Cera mentions Jade's connection with Fr. Purdy ?

Isn't Fr. Purdy being fingered for spearheading the SSPX campaign to discredit TIA's scholarly reputation and long friendship with the Shrine?

Many of us are familiar with Fr. Purdy. Within the SSPX corporate organization, he is a low to mid-level management man.
There is no way Fr. Purdy would act independently in his campaign to penetrate the Shrine and discredit TIA.

He is backed by Fr. Wegner, the District Superior, PR guru and no doubt, his direct superiors in Menzingen.

This is the conspiracy story at hand... :ready-to-eat:

Note to Cera: If you want to post the old TFP conspiracy trash you dug-up online, please start your own topic on it.

One of the reasons that Guimaraes is so concerned about the lady being there is because she supposedly is going after disciples of de Oliveira, with the goal of their expulsion. This is stated in the OP. Is that your concern as well? Or maybe one of your concerns?

Meg · « **Reply #19 on:** March 30, 2019, 11:36:07 AM »

Matthew,

Thank you for allowing the discussion to continue on a new thread.

I don't have interest in any particular side of the problem of the Shrine in question, but I'm trying to understand what's going on there. It would seem that both the SSPX and followers of de Oliveira have a presence at the shrine, and there seems to be a rivalry or maybe resentment of both groups towards each other. From what I can tell, the SSPX don't really have more of a right to be there than followers of Plinio de Oliveira.

I think that this is the same shrine which was featured on another thread, where it was described that the statue of Our Lady would not allow itself to be carried by SSPX priests. I didn't pay much attention to the thread, but it might have something to do with this issue as well.

It would seem that there are supporters of TIA and Plinio de Oliveira here on the forum. That's not a problem, but maybe a problem does exist in that these supporters don't make it clear that they are on the side of TIA/de Oliveira. They aren't for the Resistance, but rather they are for Oliveira and TIA, which, from what I can tell, are not and have never been supporters of Archbishop Lefebvre. I just think that they should make their allegiance clear. It's not a big deal, but Archbishop Lefebvre was always honest and clear in his intentions. There was no reason for him not be as such.

Cera · « **Reply #20 on:** March 31, 2019, 07:30:42 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous on March 30, 2019, 02:08:31 AM

Let's stay on the topic here.

In most of Cera's posts, she's been trying to divert attention from the real issue, which is Jade Liboro's and the SSPX's presence in Quito.

Atila claims Jade is SSPX and has open access to the Shrine's convent since 2014 and has stayed there up to six months at time.
Also, that she's been repeatedly seen involved in the Shrine's activities. The question of "Why is she there?" is significant.

Yet, Cera says:

"All I could find out about this Catholic lady is this:
We had an apostolate in Tanay twice, assisting the faithful in St. Philomena Chapel to sing in the choir. We also helped Ate Jade Liboro in the distribution of St. Anthony's Bread for the poor in the slum areas in Payatas. Then also, we helped in the general cleaning of the Church in preparation for the grand welcome of the new prior, Fr. Adam Purdy."

Why does the content of the two accounts vary so greatly ?

Cera is Jade's SSPX friend... correct? If so, why then would Cera have such limited information?

Another interesting point is when Cera mentions Jade's connection with Fr. Purdy ?

Isn't Fr. Purdy being fingered for spearheading the SSPX campaign to discredit TIA's scholarly reputation and long friendship with the Shrine?

Many of us are familiar with Fr. Purdy. Within the SSPX corporate organization, he is a low to mid-level management man.
There is no way Fr. Purdy would act independently in his campaign to penetrate the Shrine and discredit TIA.

He is backed by Fr. Wegner, the District Superior, PR guru and no doubt, his direct superiors in Menzingen.

This is the conspiracy story at hand... :ready-to-eat:

Note to Cera: If you want to post the old TFP conspiracy trash you dug-up online, please start your own topic on it.

I came to this topic with an open mind and shared what I was able to find about a lady who was being attacked by Atila. Where do you even get the notion that I know her or that she is my friend? Please try to deal with facts my friend, and let us at least attempt to be charitable and avoid personal attacks.

Cera · « **Reply #21 on:** March 31, 2019, 07:36:50 PM »

(According to TIA and their "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activist source. . .)

Card. Newman Recognized as a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ

In reaction to the request of Catholic Prelates to civil authorities for permission to transfer the body of Cardinal John Henry Newman from the city of Rednal, England, to a place in Birmingham Oratory church, recent breaking news revealed that Cardinal Newman was an alleged ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. He was buried in Rednal alongside his lover Ambrose St. John at his express will. In its August 22, 2008 issue, National Catholic Reporter, another credible source, confirms that information.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_107_NewmanHomo.html

The story originated with Radical ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activist, Peter Tatchel
http://www.realclearreligion.com/index_files/e5f8488c4feced4c94abce26acaaee2b-449.html

Incredulous · « **Reply #22 on:** April 01, 2019, 08:45:12 AM »

Quote from: Cera on March 31, 2019, 07:36:50 PM

(According to TIA and their "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activist source. . .)

Card. Newman Recognized as a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ

In reaction to the request of Catholic Prelates to civil authorities for permission to transfer the body of Cardinal John Henry Newman from the city of Rednal, England, to a place in Birmingham Oratory church, recent breaking news revealed that Cardinal Newman was an alleged ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. He was buried in Rednal alongside his lover Ambrose St. John at his express will. In its August 22, 2008 issue, National Catholic Reporter, another credible source, confirms that information.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_107_NewmanHomo.html

The story originated with Radical ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activist, Peter Tatchel
http://www.realclearreligion.com/index_files/e5f8488c4feced4c94abce26acaaee2b-449.html

If you were a real professor, you'd know the amount of extensive scholarship that TIA put into the analysis of Cardinal Neuman's life.

In an age of newChurch faux saints, Neuman's Canonization by B16 was on par with the Pope Paul VI's beatification.

And Neuman's history can be found from a variety of Catholic sources, not just from a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ writer, as you imply.

He was a Jєω, and writer of Protestant books, but he never refuted those writings, even after he was elevated to a Prince of the Church.

His relationship and burial alongside of Ambrose St. John was scandalous... a man being buried alongside another man.
How Providentially comical that when they opened his coffin, there was no body to venerate.

He was one of the few members of Vatican I that voted against the dogma of papal infallibility.

And how appropriate that the "Jєω cardinal" brought Temple menorahs and installed them in a Catholic sanctuary.

He's the perfect neo-saint for you to venerate Cera.

Cera · « **Reply #23 on:** April 01, 2019, 02:37:51 PM »

Incredulous, you said “If you were a real professor, you'd know the amount of extensive scholarship that TIA put into the analysis of Cardinal Neuman's life.” That is nonsensical. Being a scholar and professor does not endow one with extra sensory perception. Rather, it equips one to follow up on the source material provided by the author.

Sadly, in attacking St. Cardinal Neuman, Atila simply babbled on about his personal opinions, failing to provide any research whatsoever to support his weak hypothesis. Although he failed to give his one source, we now know that it was a sodomite activist (cited earlier in thread). Interesting source material for a purported Traditional Catholic, isn’t it?

Only a person mesmerized by a cult of personality could fail to see both the evil and the intellectual dishonesty in Atila’s continual attacks on good Catholic priests, the good Bishop Lefebvre, and St. Cardinal Neuman.

You will be in my prayers, as are all those caught up in the personality cult of Atila, Plinio and Plinio’s mother.

Markus · « **Reply #24 on:** April 01, 2019, 09:53:42 PM »

Quote from: Cera on April 01, 2019, 02:37:51 PM

Incredulous, you said “If you were a real professor, you'd know the amount of extensive scholarship that TIA put into the analysis of Cardinal Neuman's life.” That is nonsensical. Being a scholar and professor does not endow one with extra sensory perception. Rather, it equips one to follow up on the source material provided by the author.

Sadly, in attacking St. Cardinal Neuman, Atila simply babbled on about his personal opinions, failing to provide any research whatsoever to support his weak hypothesis. Although he failed to give his one source, we now know that it was a sodomite activist (cited earlier in thread). Interesting source material for a purported Traditional Catholic, isn’t it?

Only a person mesmerized by a cult of personality could fail to see both the evil and the intellectual dishonesty in Atila’s continual attacks on good Catholic priests, the good Bishop Lefebvre, and St. Cardinal Neuman.

You will be in my prayers, as are all those caught up in the personality cult of Atila, Plinio and Plinio’s mother.

Now you're throwing Prof. Plinio's mother into this?
That is another long-discredited myth.

Meg · « **Reply #25 on:** April 02, 2019, 09:07:53 AM »

Quote from: Cera on April 01, 2019, 02:37:51 PM

Incredulous, you said “If you were a real professor, you'd know the amount of extensive scholarship that TIA put into the analysis of Cardinal Neuman's life.” That is nonsensical. Being a scholar and professor does not endow one with extra sensory perception. Rather, it equips one to follow up on the source material provided by the author.

Sadly, in attacking St. Cardinal Neuman, Atila simply babbled on about his personal opinions, failing to provide any research whatsoever to support his weak hypothesis. Although he failed to give his one source, we now know that it was a sodomite activist (cited earlier in thread). Interesting source material for a purported Traditional Catholic, isn’t it?

Only a person mesmerized by a cult of personality could fail to see both the evil and the intellectual dishonesty in Atila’s continual attacks on good Catholic priests, the good Bishop Lefebvre, and St. Cardinal Neuman.

You will be in my prayers, as are all those caught up in the personality cult of Atila, Plinio and Plinio’s mother.

The source material is important. Atila stated his view of the matter of Cardinal Neuman being a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, but there wasn't any proof provided for it, other than the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ source. It's possible that Cardinal Neuman was a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, but there still isn't definate proof, other than what we've already seen over the years, such as Neuman wanting to be buried next to the other convert; a man with whom he had a very close friendship. I must confess that I've also wondered if Cardinal Neuman was a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. But would Cardinal Neuman really have made his relationship so obvious in a time when it wasn't acceptable? Probably not. We may never know if Neuman was really a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.

You mentioned that Atila has attacked Archbishop Lefebvre. Has there been a long-standing animosity of Atila toward the SSPX and Archbishop Lefebvre? Do you happen to know if Plinio de Oliveira felt the same way about +ABL? If so, I have to wonder why.

Incredulous · « **Reply #26 on:** April 02, 2019, 10:04:12 AM »

Meg,

You obviously don't know much about TIA.

They don't use ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs to make their arguments for them.

TIA researched Cardinal Neuman's contradictory life after Pope Benedict XVI was ram-roding him through the canonization process.
If you recall, he had by-passed the long-held traditional investigation and hearings used by our Church Fathers, to determined the merit of Sainthood.

Let me ask you Meg... do you believe John XXIII, Pope Paul VI and JPII are saints? Well if you do, your on the wrong forum.
B16 helped create the modernist "Saint factory".

TIA's work is scholarly, with legitimate sources and cross-references. Here is an example: Another look at John Neuman
If you scroll down to the bottom of the page of this link, you find multiple articles on Neuman's works and life that make him one of the most questionable saints of the 21st Century.

Note: By Card. Neuman's own words, he laid down in bed with his buddy Ambrose as he was on his deathbed.
Only a Jєω cardinal would do something like this.

Meg · « **Reply #27 on:** April 02, 2019, 10:10:55 AM »

Quote from: Incredulous on April 02, 2019, 10:04:12 AM

Meg,

You obviously don't know much about TIA.

They don't use ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs to make their arguments for them.

TIA researched Cardinal Neuman's contradictory life after Pope Benedict XVI was ram-roding him through the canonization process.
If you recall, he had by-passed the long-held traditional investigation and hearings used by our Church Fathers, to determined the merit of Sainthood.

Let me ask you Meg... do you believe John XXIII, Pope Paul VI and JPII are saints? Well if you do, your on the wrong forum.
B16 helped create the modernist "Saint factory".

TIA's work is scholarly, with legitimate sources and cross-references. Here is an example: Another look at John Neuman
If you scroll down to the bottom of the page of this link, you find multiple articles on Neuman's works and life that make him one of the most questionable saints of the 21st Century.

Note: By Card. Neuman's own words, he laid down in bed with his buddy Ambrose as he was on his deathbed.
Only a Jєω cardinal would do something like this.

No, I don't believe that any of the conciliar or post-conciliar popes are saints.

However, I do believe in the valid and justifiable mission of Archbishop Lefebvre. Do you?

Incredulous · « **Reply #28 on:** April 02, 2019, 11:05:03 AM »

Quote from: Meg on April 02, 2019, 10:10:55 AM

No, I don't believe that any of the conciliar or post-conciliar popes are saints.

However, I do believe in the valid and justifiable mission of Archbishop Lefebvre. Do you?

+ABL's "valid & justifiable mission"... that's a rather broad concept.

Please explain to me what exactly what that was ?

To preserve the traditional Catholic priesthood, I believe is his claim.

Note: Do we agree, if you doubt the sanctity of the modernist popes, you should do more research on Cardinal Neuman too?

Meg · « **Reply #29 on:** April 02, 2019, 11:24:04 AM »

Quote from: Incredulous on April 02, 2019, 11:05:03 AM

+ABL's "valid & justifiable mission"... that's a rather broad concept.

Please explain to me what exactly what that was ?

To preserve the traditional Catholic priesthood, I believe is his claim.

Note: Do we agree, if you doubt the sanctity of the modernist popes, you should do more research on Cardinal Neuman too?

Yes, to preserve the traditional priesthood is a big part of it. But also to preserve all of the traditional sacraments and Mass, as well as the Faith as it was practiced before that "Council."

In this context, do you believe that +ABL's mission was valid and justifiable?

I'm just asking because it seems that the followers of Plinio de Oliveira are not and have not been supporters of +ABL, from what I can tell. From what I've read (which hasn't been much) it would seem that TFP and Oliveira believed in a type of priesthood of the laity, and there haven't been very many priests associated with TFP. I don't know if they just believe that the priesthood is thoroughly corrupt and beyond hope, or if they (you as well?) believe that the Faith can be practiced by the laity without much interference by priests (except for the occasional consecration of hosts).

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