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Offline cosmas

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Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
« on: May 26, 2019, 03:13:34 PM »
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    • A priest in St.Mary's said this morning, its no longer a Holy Day of Obligation. We'll have regular Sunday Services on that day but the Kansas City Diocese doesn't recognize it as a Holy Day of Obligation. I say who cares what the Diocese does . In the SSPX own Calendar it proclaims that it is A Holy Day of Obligation. So when are they going to tell everyone they have officially signed on with Rome. More and more indications are showing they are getting totally on board.--The sinking ship that is Rome.
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    Offline TKGS

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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #1 on: May 26, 2019, 04:17:50 PM »
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    • Does it really matter as long as they have people such as yourself willing to stay aboard and sink right along with her?
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    Offline Last Tradhican

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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #2 on: May 26, 2019, 05:58:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: cosmas on May 26, 2019, 03:13:34 PM
    A priest in St.Mary's said this morning, its no longer a Holy Day of Obligation. We'll have regular Sunday Services on that day but the Kansas City Diocese doesn't recognize it as a Holy Day of Obligation. I say who cares what the Diocese does . In the SSPX own Calendar it proclaims that it is A Holy Day of Obligation. So when are they going to tell everyone they have officially signed on with Rome. More and more indications are showing they are getting totally on board.--The sinking ship that is Rome.
    So, you are saying that it was officially announced from the pulpit by the SSPX, at today's Sunday mass, that this coming Thursday, the Feast of the Ascencion is no longer a holy day of obligation? 
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    Offline ByzCat3000

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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #3 on: May 26, 2019, 06:04:54 PM »
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    • How could any non sede say its a Holy Day of Obligation if the diocese says it isn't?
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    Offline Last Tradhican

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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #4 on: May 26, 2019, 07:24:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: cosmas on May 26, 2019, 03:13:34 PM
    In the SSPX own Calendar it proclaims that it is A Holy Day of Obligation.
    I looked at my SSPX calendar and it does not say it is a Holy Day of Obligation. I looked at my local chapel bulletin and it does not say it is a Holy Day of Obligation. So, the SSPX has once again snuck another one on us.

    (P.S- I only go there because the priests are valid. )
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    Offline homeschoolmom

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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #5 on: May 26, 2019, 07:42:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on May 26, 2019, 06:04:54 PM
    How could any non sede say its a Holy Day of Obligation if the diocese says it isn't?

    That's the difficulty with R&R. We try to abide by traditional ways but we really should know what is "extra" (traditional) and what is the truly required bottom line (current disciplines). I think it's important for a properly formed conscience. You don't want a bunch of people out there thinking they are under pain of mortal sin if they aren't. But I would hope the priests are still encouraging it to be treated seriously because it is an important day. It was a Holy Day when Catholics were sane and serious about their Faith. There is a reason for that. There is also a reason for our current laxer and laxer rules. We should be strongly encouraged to follow the traditional ways.
        
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #6 on: May 26, 2019, 08:04:29 PM »
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    • In the back of the SSPX calendar it does say its a Holy Day of Obligation.
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #7 on: May 26, 2019, 09:36:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: cosmas on May 26, 2019, 08:04:29 PM
    In the back of the SSPX calendar it does say its a Holy Day of Obligation.

    I wonder if it was printed before the change?
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    Offline ByzCat3000

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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #8 on: May 26, 2019, 10:57:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: homeschoolmom on May 26, 2019, 07:42:39 PM
    That's the difficulty with R&R. We try to abide by traditional ways but we really should know what is "extra" (traditional) and what is the truly required bottom line (current disciplines). I think it's important for a properly formed conscience. You don't want a bunch of people out there thinking they are under pain of mortal sin if they aren't. But I would hope the priests are still encouraging it to be treated seriously because it is an important day. It was a Holy Day when Catholics were sane and serious about their Faith. There is a reason for that. There is also a reason for our current laxer and laxer rules. We should be strongly encouraged to follow the traditional ways.
        
    Right, OK, that seems more reasonable to me.  "the Church isn't technically requiring this, but we still strongly recommend it."  Same with the fasting rules.
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #9 on: May 26, 2019, 11:15:12 PM »
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    • The diocese of Kansas City accepts Vatican II (heresy) and is no longer Catholic. 
    If they say that Christmas is no longer a holy day of obligation, do we listen to them? 
    NO.

    We don't care if they say water is wet.  SSPX has supplied juristiction, and people go
    to SSPX, because they don't want any part of heresy, such as the diocese of KC.

    If SSPX in Saint Marys accepts the NEW rule that the Ascension is not a holy day,
    then we want to know when SSPX signed an agreement with Rome to obey the local
    diocesan bishop.   It looks like Fellay has already done so and is keeping it a secret
    as usual. 

    What's next?  You don't have to go to Mass anymore, but we will provide the service,
    anyway. 

    You don't have to go to confession anymore, but we will provide the service ?


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    Offline JoeZ

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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #10 on: May 26, 2019, 11:19:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on May 26, 2019, 06:04:54 PM
    How could any non sede say its a Holy Day of Obligation if the diocese says it isn't?
    With all due respect sir,
    sede argument is irrelevant. The Ordinary has jurisdiction. Like it or not, the diocese is his to command, not the Roman pontiff, not any council of bishops, and certainly not any calendar.
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #11 on: May 26, 2019, 11:58:43 PM »
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    • I don’t know about eddy stone.  But the Feast of the Ascension has been moved to Sunday.  It is Holy Day of Obligation.  
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #12 on: May 27, 2019, 12:13:24 AM »
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    • My sspx no longer says ascension Thursday is a HDOO either.  Nor do they say when traditional fast days are (ember days, lent etc), nor do they say you must receive communion once during the easter season, nor do they say you must fast for at least 3 hours before taking communion.  They did all of these only 4 years ago, now they just forget tradition.  

    The sspx really isn't a traditional catholic organization anymore, they are a latin mass organization that accepts all the Novus ordo teachings.  The only difference between the new SSPX and the FSSP or ICKSP is the sacraments are certain (unless you have a former Novus ordo priest at your church).  
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #13 on: May 27, 2019, 12:30:18 AM »
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    • Ascension Thursday is a Holy Day of Obligation in the entirety of the following States: Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Nebraska.  And 3 days before are Rogation days. 
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #14 on: May 27, 2019, 09:37:52 AM »
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    • If you don’t believe the Conciliar hierarchy is the hierarchy of the Catholic Church (I.e. the Conciliar popes were not true Catholic popes) or even if you believe like Archbishop Lefebvre that it is possible that we may have to believe that these popes were not true popes then you are obligated under pain of mortal sin to observe Ascension Thursday as a holy day of obligation.

    If on the other hand you have certainty that the Conciliar popes are true popes then not only do you not have to observe Ascension Thursday but you also don’t have to fast nor abstain from meat.  And since everyone in the Conciliar Church goes to “heaven” you don’t have to keep the commandments either.  You are free to do whatever you want.  Most “Catholics” prefer it that way.
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