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Offline Mr G

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Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2019, 11:49:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on May 26, 2019, 07:24:27 PM
    I looked at my SSPX calendar and it does not say it is a Holy Day of Obligation. I looked at my local chapel bulletin and it does not say it is a Holy Day of Obligation. So, the SSPX has once again snuck another one on us.

    (P.S- I only go there because the priests are valid. )
    The Priests are also valid at St. Joseph's Mission (SAJM/Dominicans) in Emmett, you are welcome to go there. We had Sunday Mass yesterday and the the past several Sundays.
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #16 on: May 27, 2019, 12:41:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: tdrev123 on May 27, 2019, 12:13:24 AM
    The sspx really isn't a traditional catholic organization anymore, they are a latin mass organization that accepts all the Novus ordo teachings.  The only difference between the new SSPX and the FSSP or ICKSP is the sacraments are certain (unless you have a former Novus ordo priest at your church).  
    Exactly my conclusion too.
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #17 on: May 27, 2019, 12:48:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mr G on May 27, 2019, 11:49:57 AM
    The Priests are also valid at St. Joseph's Mission (SAJM/Dominicans) in Emmett, you are welcome to go there. We had Sunday Mass yesterday and the the past several Sundays.
    Thanks for the invitation but my SSPX chapel is many states away from Kansas. How many priest do they have at St. Joseph's Mission and who ordained them? Do they have a seminary attached to the resistance bishops?
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #18 on: May 27, 2019, 12:49:54 PM »
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #19 on: May 27, 2019, 02:30:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on May 27, 2019, 12:48:50 PM
    Thanks for the invitation but my SSPX chapel is many states away from Kansas. How many priest do they have at St. Joseph's Mission and who ordained them? Do they have a seminary attached to the resistance bishops?
    My mistake, I though I was replying to "cosmas".
    As for your questions, they currently have two  priests (they reside at the priory in Connecticut but travel to KS regularly). one is Bishop Zendejas, he is the prior and the other priests is Fr. Reginald.  Yes, the seminary is the Society of Apostles of Jesus and Mary (located in France) started by Bishop Faure, so yes they are indeed attached to the Resistance Bishops!!!
    I know Fr. Faure was ordained by Archbishop Lefevbre, and I believe Fr. Zendajs also, as for Fr. Reginald, that would have been one of the 4 SSPX Bishops as he was ordained around 2012.
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #20 on: May 27, 2019, 02:47:27 PM »
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    • One of our first Ascension of our Lord feasts was on a Thursday night at St Jude’s Eddystone.   It was impressive.  The whole church was packed. People were standing.   I have never seen anything like it.  
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #21 on: May 28, 2019, 12:25:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: cosmas on May 26, 2019, 03:13:34 PM
    A priest in St.Mary's said this morning, its no longer a Holy Day of Obligation. We'll have regular Sunday Services on that day but the Kansas City Diocese doesn't recognize it as a Holy Day of Obligation. I say who cares what the Diocese does . In the SSPX own Calendar it proclaims that it is A Holy Day of Obligation. So when are they going to tell everyone they have officially signed on with Rome. More and more indications are showing they are getting totally on board.--The sinking ship that is Rome.
    Cosmas can you name the priest and which Mass you attended.  I have many friends in St. Marys and I would like to ask them if they heard it as well.  They may have went to a different Mass.  
    This is nothing surprising if it is true.  The watering down has been going on in the SSPX for so long now.  What is next, a Saturday evening Mass?  Those who still go there do not want to open their eyes or ears or even their mouths because If I were there I would be asking the priest what was going on.  They have been brainwashed to follow blindly, it is like a cult now.  
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #22 on: May 28, 2019, 01:18:08 AM »
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    • Here is a link that shows when this Canon 1246 came into effect.   http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/canon-law/complementary-norms/canon-1246.cfm

    Most Traditional are aware that the New Codes are basically Vatican II on wheels.  Most Trads know that  following VII and the New Codes will lead to loss of one's faith and therefore must not be followed.

    Most Traditional know that Archbishop Levebre was very much against the new code.  Here are some of his quotes...



    Each one of these notions is ambiguous and will allow Protestant and Modernist errors to inspire from now on the legislation of the Church. It is the authority of the Pope and of the Bishops which is going to suffer; the distinction between the clergy and the laity will also diminish; the absolute and necessary character of the Catholic will also be extenuated to the profit of heresy and schism; and the fundamental realities of sin and grace will be worn down. These are all dangerous for the doctrine of the Church and the salvation of souls.” (Ibid.)

    Since most of us can remember,  the SSPX always followed the Old rules and now in 2019 they are allegedly saying that we can follow the new rules and move Ascension Thursday to Sunday?  This must be coming from the new training in the seminaries!  The senior members of the SSPX which are still there are at least tolerating this blatant new conciliar direction because being ostracized and possibly thrown out is too much for them to handle.   I wonder if even one faithful is questioning the priest about such things? 

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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #23 on: May 28, 2019, 08:46:12 AM »
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    • I heard that it was Fr. Carlyle at the 7:15 am Mass.
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #24 on: May 28, 2019, 09:38:57 AM »
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    • Someone asked me to post this (relevant portion begins at about 1:30) ...
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #25 on: May 28, 2019, 09:42:10 AM »
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    • UNBELIEVABlE!!!! HOW SAD!!!!!!
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #26 on: May 28, 2019, 09:53:25 AM »
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    • I don't understand the uproar.

    If the V2 Hierarchy are legitimate, then they are perfectly within their rights to lift the obligation here.  Is it good or ideal?  Certainly not.  But can any of you who consider the Novus Ordo hierarchy to be legitimate take it upon yourselves to tell people that they commit mortal sin if they don't attend Mass on Thursday?  Who's binding consciences now under pain of sin?  Only legitimate Church authority can do that.

    Even if you hold the V2 Hierarchy to be "doubtful", then the obligation is doubtful, and doubtful obligations cannot bind under pain of sin.  I see the SSPX as being merely consistent.

    Please help me to understand how this is incorrect reasoning.

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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #27 on: May 28, 2019, 10:02:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 28, 2019, 09:53:25 AM
    I don't understand the uproar.

    If the V2 Hierarchy are legitimate, then they are perfectly within their rights to lift the obligation here.  Is it good or ideal?  Certainly not.  But can any of you who consider the Novus Ordo hierarchy to be legitimate take it upon yourselves to tell people that they commit mortal sin if they don't attend Mass on Thursday?  Who's binding consciences now under pain of sin?  Only legitimate Church authority can do that.

    Even if you hold the V2 Hierarchy to be "doubtful", then the obligation is doubtful, and doubtful obligations cannot bind under pain of sin.  I see the SSPX as being merely consistent.

    Please help me to understand how this is incorrect reasoning.

    Unfortunately, this is exactly correct.

    Still, it might have been nice to hear why moving the feast to Sunday is scandalous (and theologically erroneous).  But that isn’t going to happen in the ralliement era (especially not at that chapel, with its band leader, it’s roller coaster riding priest, and the old “mortal sin to refuse a deal with Rome” sermons, etc.).
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #28 on: May 28, 2019, 10:07:14 AM »
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    • This change occurred "officially" since 1991.  The loaded question is to "WHY" now mention it?  Why haven't they been announcing it for 28 years?  What is different this year than last year.  Did the Superiors not know that these things could be legitimately changed until this year?  Could it have anything to do with the fact that the SSPX are now one of the factions in the Conciliar Church like all the other Dei Ecclesia Members?  This is part of the slow reconciliation?  
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    Re: Ascension Thursday no longer Holy Day of Obligation
    « Reply #29 on: May 28, 2019, 10:08:13 AM »
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    • I meant Ecclesia Dei.  ^
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