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Offline Banezian

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Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
« on: October 20, 2018, 11:57:22 PM »
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    • Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area with una cuм priests?
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #1 on: October 21, 2018, 01:35:38 AM »
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    • Does Fr. Ortiz still offer Mass at St. Athanasius?
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #2 on: October 23, 2018, 08:56:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Banezian on October 23, 2018, 08:28:24 AM
    The real question is why is Bp. Williamson doing his consecrations at St. Athanasius? Does he endorse Fr. Ringrose sedeprivationist position?

    Bishops Williamson, refreshingly, does not blackmail people with the Sacraments into accepting every theological position of his.  He knows that people can be Catholic while disagreeing on various questions that have not been defined by the Church.  I've been so sick and tired of the Traditionalist excommunication syndrome where people are denied the Sacraments for having differences of opinion on theological matters that have not been defined by the Church ... that this to me is extremely refreshing.

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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #3 on: October 23, 2018, 11:11:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: MaterDominici on October 21, 2018, 01:35:38 AM
    Does Fr. Ortiz still offer Mass at St. Athanasius?
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #4 on: October 23, 2018, 11:38:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 23, 2018, 08:56:51 AM
    Bishops Williamson, refreshingly, does not blackmail people with the Sacraments into accepting every theological position of his.  He knows that people can be Catholic while disagreeing on various questions that have not been defined by the Church.  I've been so sick and tired of the Traditionalist excommunication syndrome where people are denied the Sacraments for having differences of opinion on theological matters that have not been defined by the Church ... that this to me is extremely refreshing.
    Agree, 100%.  Because of the bitterness of four such priests/followers, I have been consigned to going without Mass or Sacraments for four years.  I was told I am persona non grata at number four after All Saints Day Mass, 2014.  Since then I've been to Mass/Confession/Communion seven times.  My only "choice" is the n.o. complete with altar girls, liturgical dancing, lbgtq "prayer" groups.  They're over the top where I spend my weekends. I can no longer travel long distances due to family obligations.  I feel sad for the priests and laity, priests, especially, as God will hold them to account for withholding many graces.   
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #5 on: October 23, 2018, 11:45:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on October 23, 2018, 11:38:15 AM
    Agree, 100%.  Because of the bitterness of four such priests/followers, I have been consigned to going without Mass or Sacraments for four years.  I was told I am persona non grata at number four after All Saints Day Mass, 2014.  Since then I've been to Mass/Confession/Communion seven times.  My only "choice" is the n.o. complete with altar girls, liturgical dancing, lbgtq "prayer" groups.  They're over the top where I spend my weekends. I can no longer travel long distances due to family obligations.  I feel sad for the priests and laity, priests, especially, as God will hold them to account for withholding many graces.  
    Do you have the availability of an Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy in your area?
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #6 on: October 23, 2018, 03:40:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Maria Regina on October 23, 2018, 11:45:22 AM
    Do you have the availability of an Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy in your area?
    There is one Greek Catholic Church an hour and a half drive away, to which I went once. They were nearly as bad as the n.o.  The only thing they didn't have was dancing altar girls.  The congregation was small, seemingly all related, not at all welcoming of a non-Greek visitor.  The young adults were dressed horribly--shorts, tank tops, spandex, tattoos--awful.  It was small enough for a visitor to be noticed by everyone.  The priest socialized with his congregants after the Mass and never introduced himself to me.  So I introduced myself and was barely acknowledged.  Then he went right back to his conversation.  Everyone else totally ignored me.  Given the distance and chilly reception, I don't consider it an option.  It seems to be for and by the members of a small, insular ethnic group.  I couldn't even find a Web site or any actual information about it, so I believe they might actually be schismatic.  There was no church bulletin, but that's not unusual for tiny congregations.  Attendance was about 30.
    There are a few Greek Orthodox churches in the area, but they're definitely schismatic.  
    Believe me, I've looked thoroughly and have come up with nothing.  The seven Masses were all in August, mostly 2016, when I had a two week working vacation 900 miles from my home.  
    I can neither move in my current situation, nor host a priest.  I did attempt the latter, but found only one person willing to attend so long as I kept quiet about it.  Neither of us have a suitable home for a Mass, and we're both living hand to mouth.  
    It seems since God has allowed the situation, it must be He wants me to offer it up, maybe in reparation for my pre-conversion sins.
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #7 on: October 24, 2018, 01:05:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 23, 2018, 08:56:51 AM
    Bishops Williamson, refreshingly, does not blackmail people with the Sacraments into accepting every theological position of his.  He knows that people can be Catholic while disagreeing on various questions that have not been defined by the Church.  I've been so sick and tired of the Traditionalist excommunication syndrome where people are denied the Sacraments for having differences of opinion on theological matters that have not been defined by the Church ... that this to me is extremely refreshing.
    I might have my order of events out of whack, but wasn't Fr. Ringrose officially R&R at the time of the consecration?
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #8 on: October 24, 2018, 01:07:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: hismajesty on October 23, 2018, 04:20:21 PM
    I think that may have been a rhetorical question....
    No, not rhetorical. The OP seemed familiar enough with St. Athanasius, but didn't mention Fr. Ortiz who personally "advertises" himself as Resistance. So, I was wondering if he was still offering Mass there as it seems to be what the OP was looking for.
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #9 on: October 24, 2018, 08:28:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on October 23, 2018, 11:38:15 AM
    Agree, 100%.  Because of the bitterness of four such priests/followers, I have been consigned to going without Mass or Sacraments for four years.  I was told I am persona non grata at number four after All Saints Day Mass, 2014.  Since then I've been to Mass/Confession/Communion seven times.  My only "choice" is the n.o. complete with altar girls, liturgical dancing, lbgtq "prayer" groups.  They're over the top where I spend my weekends. I can no longer travel long distances due to family obligations.  I feel sad for the priests and laity, priests, especially, as God will hold them to account for withholding many graces.  

    That's terrible ... and far too common.  I would look into Eastern Rite liturgies for the Sacraments in your situation ... or perhaps a pre-Vatican-II priest offering a Motu Liturgy.  If you PM me your metropolitan location, I could look up some possible alternatives for you.
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #10 on: October 24, 2018, 08:42:27 AM »
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     I know there’s St. Athanasius ( with Fr. Ringrose) but he doesn’t say una cuм Masses, and that’s a dealbreaker for me
    Banezian,
    this is an immature reaction.  A valid priest/mass outweighs ALL, 100%, EVERY theoretical disagreement.
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    Because of the bitterness of four such priests/followers, I have been consigned to going without Mass or Sacraments for four years.
    Seraphina and Ladislaus,
    I've heard Banezian (above) is a seminarian.  If he already is creating divisions in his mind in regards to Tradition, we all better buckle-up for the next generation of emotional/petty/childish priests who elevate theology above the sacraments.  God help us.
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #11 on: October 24, 2018, 08:55:02 AM »
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    I might have my order of events out of whack, but wasn't Fr. Ringrose officially R&R at the time of the consecration?
    I think she was referring to the consecration of Fr Zendehas, which happened at Fr Ringrose's chapel about a year ago.  Obviously there was no disagreement between Fr Ringrose and the resistance at that time.

    How do we even know that Fr Ringrose and the Resistance are "broken up"?  How do we know that "IF" Fr Ringrose no longer says 'una cuм' masses that +W even cares?  Who is even in charge of the Resistance?  If Fr Ringrose disagrees with +Zendehas but is still friendly with +Williamson, then what is his "friend status" with the Resistance?

    Is Fr Chazal now not friends with the Resistance?  Because his videos on sedeprivationism were much more explosive than Fr Ringrose's sermons/letters.  So if Fr Chazal is still part of the Resistance (and I don't know the answer) then Fr Ringrose should be too. 

    I think many of you underestimate the leeway/openness that +W allows in discussing many matters.  I've emailed him a few times concerning his novus ordo controversies and he was always appreciative and agreeable to my points.  I don't know him personally, but I get the feeling that, as a Brit, he enjoys debate and indirectly encourages it. 

    I people ASSUME that Fr Ringrose is unfriendly with the Resistance because of his views on certain issues, I think that is stupid and rash and sinful gossip.  It's very possible that the Resistance doesn't make a big deal about these controversial issues, contrary to the sspx or sedes.  Maybe they've humbled themselves and realized that mass/sacraments are more important?  Many of the laity still haven't figured this out yet...
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #12 on: October 24, 2018, 08:57:20 AM »
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    Where did you get the idea that I am a seminarian?
    Somebody posted on another thread that you claimed you were.  I apologize.
    I applaud you for studying these matters but I also caution you to put things in perspective and don't condemn when you don't have to - especially when it comes to priests.  In the coming years, we may all be happy to have ANY priest.
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #13 on: October 24, 2018, 09:00:38 AM »
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    In any case, Father welcomes all Traditional Catholics to attend Mass and rescue the Sacraments at his parish, and that’s all that matters to me. He can’t be that hostile to R&R ( given that F. Ortiz is still there)
    I think you need to create a new thread to clear up the fact that Fr Ringrose is not anti-resistance or whatever you were insinuating at the start of this thread.  It's only fair to "clear the air" and let people know that they can attend his mass, if in the area.  Based on the opening post of this thread, many people might have changed their minds based on what you wrote.  If you now understand differently, because you have facts (instead of heresay) you have an obligation to correct the rumors and set the record straight.
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #14 on: October 24, 2018, 11:20:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: Banezian on October 24, 2018, 11:07:10 AM
    Well I stand by that. There’s certainly some hostility given what he’s written, but my point is that perhaps he’s more tolerant of it that I originally thought

    Then Pax's point in Reply #26 stands, and your denial in response false.
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