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Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
« on: October 20, 2018, 11:57:22 PM »
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  • Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area with una cum priests? I know there’s St. Athanasius ( with Fr. Ringrose) but he doesn’t say una cum Masses, and that’s a dealbreaker for me ( as I take the SSPX position) I’m also disgusted by the fact that Fr. Denis McMahon is apparently at St. Athanasius ( given his extremely shady past) Does Fr. Pfeiffer say Mass in DC at all?
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #1 on: October 21, 2018, 01:35:38 AM »
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  • Does Fr. Ortiz still offer Mass at St. Athanasius?
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...


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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #2 on: October 23, 2018, 08:28:24 AM »
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  • The real question is why is Bp. Williamson doing his consecrations at St. Athanasius? Does he endorse Fr. Ringrose sedeprivationist position?
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #3 on: October 23, 2018, 08:47:43 AM »
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  • Fr. Denis McMahon needs to be in a monastery doing penance ... and should not be in public ministry.

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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #4 on: October 23, 2018, 08:56:51 AM »
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  • The real question is why is Bp. Williamson doing his consecrations at St. Athanasius? Does he endorse Fr. Ringrose sedeprivationist position?

    Bishops Williamson, refreshingly, does not blackmail people with the Sacraments into accepting every theological position of his.  He knows that people can be Catholic while disagreeing on various questions that have not been defined by the Church.  I've been so sick and tired of the Traditionalist excommunication syndrome where people are denied the Sacraments for having differences of opinion on theological matters that have not been defined by the Church ... that this to me is extremely refreshing.



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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #5 on: October 23, 2018, 10:13:12 AM »
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  • Fr. Denis McMahon needs to be in a monastery doing penance ... and should not be in public ministry.
    We certainly agree there
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #6 on: October 23, 2018, 10:17:26 AM »
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  • Bishops Williamson, refreshingly, does not blackmail people with the Sacraments into accepting every theological position of his.  He knows that people can be Catholic while disagreeing on various questions that have not been defined by the Church.  I've been so sick and tired of the Traditionalist excommunication syndrome where people are denied the Sacraments for having differences of opinion on theological matters that have not been defined by the Church ... that this to me is extremely refreshing.
    My point was not that Ringrose isn’t Catholic. While I disagree with his position on the crisis, I’d certainly say he’s Catholic( as he believes Francis was validly elected) It’s very likely I’ll be at his Mass on All Saints Day in fact. ( my SSPX priest said there is no sin in going to his Masses) I just don’t think it makes logical sense for Williamson ( an R&R guy) to do his consecrations at the parish of a sedeprivationist
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #7 on: October 23, 2018, 10:46:44 AM »
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  • My point was not that Ringrose isn’t Catholic. While I disagree with his position on the crisis, I’d certainly say he’s Catholic( as he believes Francis was validly elected) It’s very likely I’ll be at his Mass on All Saints Day in fact. ( my SSPX priest said there is no sin in going to his Masses) I just don’t think it makes logical sense for Williamson ( an R&R guy) to do his consecrations at the parish of a sedeprivationist

    If he's Catholic, then why not?


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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #8 on: October 23, 2018, 11:11:54 AM »
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  • Does Fr. Ortiz still offer Mass at St. Athanasius?
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #9 on: October 23, 2018, 11:38:15 AM »
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  • Bishops Williamson, refreshingly, does not blackmail people with the Sacraments into accepting every theological position of his.  He knows that people can be Catholic while disagreeing on various questions that have not been defined by the Church.  I've been so sick and tired of the Traditionalist excommunication syndrome where people are denied the Sacraments for having differences of opinion on theological matters that have not been defined by the Church ... that this to me is extremely refreshing.
    Agree, 100%.  Because of the bitterness of four such priests/followers, I have been consigned to going without Mass or Sacraments for four years.  I was told I am persona non grata at number four after All Saints Day Mass, 2014.  Since then I've been to Mass/Confession/Communion seven times.  My only "choice" is the n.o. complete with altar girls, liturgical dancing, lbgtq "prayer" groups.  They're over the top where I spend my weekends. I can no longer travel long distances due to family obligations.  I feel sad for the priests and laity, priests, especially, as God will hold them to account for withholding many graces.   

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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #10 on: October 23, 2018, 11:45:22 AM »
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  • Agree, 100%.  Because of the bitterness of four such priests/followers, I have been consigned to going without Mass or Sacraments for four years.  I was told I am persona non grata at number four after All Saints Day Mass, 2014.  Since then I've been to Mass/Confession/Communion seven times.  My only "choice" is the n.o. complete with altar girls, liturgical dancing, lbgtq "prayer" groups.  They're over the top where I spend my weekends. I can no longer travel long distances due to family obligations.  I feel sad for the priests and laity, priests, especially, as God will hold them to account for withholding many graces.  
    Do you have the availability of an Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy in your area?
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #11 on: October 23, 2018, 11:46:45 AM »
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  • We certainly agree there
    Who is Fr McMahon?

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    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #13 on: October 23, 2018, 12:44:32 PM »
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  • If he's Catholic, then why not?
    Because Fr. Ringrose seems to be hostile to R&R not just in disagreement with it. Why would an R&R bishop do consecrations at the parish of an anti-R&R priest? I look forward to speaking with Fr. Ringrose myself next week and seeing what his actual position on R&R is.
    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
    Ephesians 2:8-9

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    Re: Are there any Resistance Masses in the DC area?
    « Reply #14 on: October 23, 2018, 03:40:22 PM »
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  • Do you have the availability of an Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy in your area?
    There is one Greek Catholic Church an hour and a half drive away, to which I went once. They were nearly as bad as the n.o.  The only thing they didn't have was dancing altar girls.  The congregation was small, seemingly all related, not at all welcoming of a non-Greek visitor.  The young adults were dressed horribly--shorts, tank tops, spandex, tattoos--awful.  It was small enough for a visitor to be noticed by everyone.  The priest socialized with his congregants after the Mass and never introduced himself to me.  So I introduced myself and was barely acknowledged.  Then he went right back to his conversation.  Everyone else totally ignored me.  Given the distance and chilly reception, I don't consider it an option.  It seems to be for and by the members of a small, insular ethnic group.  I couldn't even find a Web site or any actual information about it, so I believe they might actually be schismatic.  There was no church bulletin, but that's not unusual for tiny congregations.  Attendance was about 30.
    There are a few Greek Orthodox churches in the area, but they're definitely schismatic.  
    Believe me, I've looked thoroughly and have come up with nothing.  The seven Masses were all in August, mostly 2016, when I had a two week working vacation 900 miles from my home.  
    I can neither move in my current situation, nor host a priest.  I did attempt the latter, but found only one person willing to attend so long as I kept quiet about it.  Neither of us have a suitable home for a Mass, and we're both living hand to mouth.  
    It seems since God has allowed the situation, it must be He wants me to offer it up, maybe in reparation for my pre-conversion sins.

     

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