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Offline Neil Obstat

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« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2013, 05:18:13 PM »
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    I'll offer this, as a constructive point:

    In his illustrations drawn on the white board, His Excellency made first a
    diagram of the history of the Church from the time of Christ to the end of
    the world, and he made it in a large arc across the board.  Do you remember
    seeing that?

    Did you notice, at the end of the arc, he drew in a sharp peak that was meant
    to symbolize the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, which will last
    for "a time" or "a period of peace."  It was added in the context of an overall
    steep remission of the glory of the Church.

    I have a question.  This was not mentioned in the video - maybe it's in Part II
    or Part III (which are not yet available for viewing).  And that question is, if
    the diagram is giving anything like an accurate picture, and the steepness of
    the line that curves across the board is indicative of the overall rate of
    change of the Glory of the Church, then, the dramatic increase in said Glory
    at the time of the Triumph of the IHM, rises to a summit, and then falls --
    what then can be said about the precipitous decline that falls away from the
    Triumph?  Is it not shown as a decline that is all the more catastrophic than
    the one currently in progress after the deplorable Vatican II?







    I watched all 3 videos and nowhere was the anomaly of this very steep
    decline after the Triumph of the IHM mentioned.  

    It might seem neither here nor there to us now, but when the time comes
    and the world is going through this "tailspin" of aviation in the Church, it
    will be very important to Catholics who are in the thick of it.  




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    « Reply #31 on: April 09, 2013, 05:50:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: bernadette
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    ..Weren't those two that thumbed my post down the least bit irritated with the loud screeches randomly made throughout the conference?


    Didn't bother me at all.


    There seems to be a growing sentiment of tolerance for ill-behaved
    children, and I think it's a product of this liberalism plague we are under.
    Now whatever children want to do to get attention or make irrational
    demands is given broad berth, even if it means that the matter that one
    has gone to great expense to obtain is rendered useless or less useful as
    a result.  The "rights of the child" take precedence and more and more
    people are prone to forgo all else in deference to this misbehavior of
    immature children acting out in places where they do not belong.

    One would think that some degree of separation could have been made
    whereby these noisy children could have been out of earshot from
    the conference room.  It would only be reasonable.  A child monitor could
    be used with the microphone on the Bishop's table, and the speaker box
    would be provided for the parent(s) caring for their child(ren) in the
    room removed from the conference room.  That would solve this problem.
    There ought to be at least one, but preferably two closed doors between
    the two rooms, and the reason is, that one door can be open, and the
    other door closed, so there is always then one door closed (or more
    likely, anyway).  Actually, a door coordinator could be used that prevents
    a door from being opened unless the other door is closed, but if it is a
    required occupant access exit, this coordination may be prohibited unless
    it can be easily disabled and/or normally disabled with a power failure.
    Otherwise, in a fire, for example, everyone would be unable to leave
    the room through that doorway in a continuous movement, which would
    be an evacuation hazard, potentially causing people to die from smoke
    inhalation.



    Not too long ago, parents would not take children out of the house who
    are prone to screeching because of the embarrassment it would cause the
    family in public.  But now, with liberal thinking everywhere, such problem
    children are not to be "discriminated against" because that is not being
    charitable to their needs.  The liberal world stands still waiting on the
    needs of the the minority or the handicapped.  Everyone is made to wait
    while those who would normally be marginalized now get first place.  The
    natural order of things is turned on its head in the modern world.  

    Some children have a problem with this.  I have a neighbor who has such
    a problem son and he is obviously autistic or something.  He does not
    speak words, and he is now about 5 or 6.  He has a lot of energy, and
    jumps repeatedly standing in one place, usually just raising his heels up
    as he pushes from his toes in a bouncing pattern, clapping his hands
    and screeching.  His parents are not pleased with this behavior and have
    him in an education program with his mother present at all times for his
    sense of security.  They take him out every day but on the weekends he
    tends to be at home, making a lot of noise during all his waking hours.

    So there are all kinds of degrees of this problem, but it seems to me that
    in recent years it has been on an increase.  A lot of it is cultural but I
    have to wonder if there isn't a demonic aspect to this phenomenon. Go
    to a shopping mall or a public park and see, that you can't go far before
    some child is heard carrying on with uncontrolled, shrill screaming.  They
    seem to be doing it to demand something, and I have seen their parents
    give in to their demands, just to make them stop screaming.  There is a
    state law that prohibits corporal punishment in California, and if such
    parents were to be seen smacking the brat across the mouth or the head,
    or the hand, or the arm or the shoulder or the foot or the leg or the upper
    torso, or with any object such as a rolled newspaper, or a stick, or a nylon
    cord, or a paper cup or a wet noodle, they would be reported to Child
    Protective Services anonymously by cell phone, and a case worker
    would be dispatched to the scene immediately.  That's what they live for.  
    They have the power to remove a child from his parents on the spot, and
    it will take many thousands of dollars and months in court to get him back,
    if ever.  

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    Thank you, Sean.  We need more and more of these kinds of instructional sessions from H.E.  Yes, the brats are a problem.  But consider, perhaps, that the parents don't get this opportunity very often, and probably both fathers and mothers want to be there to hear the bishop.  Babysitters are an added expense that some young families can not bear.


    Heard of a case that some people complained to the Traditional priest about the kids during Mass, and the priest said to them..."Your soul should be as white as theirs"

     


    Back in my Novus Ordo days, I heard a similar remark from the pastor of our parish...something to the effect that children were like angels...ridiculous reasoning...let's let little children behave poorly and let us shirk our duty of disciplining children out of human respect for the parents....the reasoning of sappy, sentimental, effeminate, unhinged modern minds that don't have the gumption to lay down the rules or criticize for fear of not being "liked"...and lazy liberal parents who think their children walk on water.  Spoiled rotten adults will be the result...but go ahead...defend that which is indefensible.



    Very well said, bernadette.




    Thank you Neil Obstat...I note that some are already caving in on (read succuмbing to liberalism) the truth...there is a time and a place for everything, and the time and the place for children does not/should not include a conference given by +Williamson.



    You're welcome, bernadette.

    I wonder if these same people would let their children behave this way,
    screeching, in a BANK or if OBAMA were giving a speech!!



    In the past, +W has made passing mention of the need to care for the
    children in a separate area.  He has an air about him of irritation or concern
    when he does so, and I don't know if he has brought it up when making plans
    for the next appointment.  

    It seems to me that he understands that we are all under a great challenge
    these days, as one priest told me recently, "There has never been a more
    challenging time in the history of the world to raise a family."

    I could not disagree with him.

    When these problems arise, +W is patient, to be sure, but we really ought
    to be doing all we can to help him.  There are carpenters and there are
    painters and electricians and handymen -- we can do this!  

    We are able to adapt a given environment for the purpose of confining the
    noise that children ALWAYS MAKE to another, separate room.  We are not
    a third-world nation on the brink of camping out with the spiders and snakes.

    We should not expect +W to pretend he's visiting the Hurons and the Iroquois
    and the Mohawks like St. Isaac Jogues and St. Charles Garnier and St. Noel
    Chabanel and St. Rene Goupil and St. John de Lalande and St. Anthony Daniel
    and St. John de Brebeuf and St. Gabriel Lalemant.  He shouldn't have to worry
    about having his fingers chewed off.  

    And you wonder why he likes living in Britain!!  Correct me if I'm wrong, but
    British children tend to be more well-behaved.

    But in any case, this childcare noise is a heavy penance for a bishop.  He is
    doing all he can to keep his mind on what he has to say, and there are no
    doubt hundreds of facts to keep in line as he is speaking.  His thoughts are
    probably racing at a mile a minute and one screech from a child not kept
    adequately distant (!) could cause a train wreck of one's thinking process.

    I know it would for me, because I'm easily distracted.  

    Watch his face and you can see that he is involuntarily reacting to the noises.

    Is someone taking pleasure in torturing him here?  I have to wonder!!!

    I know other priests who do this as well.  Parents don't seem to notice the
    noises, but please try to remember that priests are not living with families
    with small children and they are accustomed to having quiet surroundings
    when they are doing their intellectual work.





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    Bishop Williamson St. Paul, MN Conference:
    « Reply #32 on: April 09, 2013, 06:07:03 PM »
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  • I totally agree with Neil...I like babies and children just as well as the next person...especially when they are properly cooked....yes, I just love the little angels...but I so much prefer the well-behaved, well-disciplined ones...

    My favorite saying: "Children should be seen and not heard"!


    By the way...thank you for naming those great Pioneer Priests of North America many who suffered and died the death of martyrs trying to convert the natives of this country...

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    « Reply #33 on: April 09, 2013, 06:17:20 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat

    And you wonder why he likes living in Britain!!  Correct me if I'm wrong, but
    British children tend to be more well-behaved.


    You may be right...but French children are even better...this book should be stocked in all of the traditional Catholic bookstores:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385617615/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0385617615&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

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    « Reply #34 on: April 09, 2013, 07:34:40 PM »
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  • I think the idea of a baby monitor in a separate room with the mothers and children is an OUTSTANDING solution! Wow! They make them with actual video monitors too. In this way, the mothers could attend the conference with their husbands, take care of the babies/children in an alternative room, see and hear the +bishop speak live, all while showing him the respect that he deserves. The mothers could then watch the actual video again online with everyone else after the event. It's a win/win solution. It simply requires a little bit of planning by one mother with children when they make plans for a visit by +His Excellency.

    It sounds very reasonable to me.

    I have nothing against mothers with babies, however, I believe that respect for the +bishop and the common good should come first before the rights of any baby or small child. It's just common sense.

     
    "So you also, when you shall have done all these things that are commanded you, say: We are unprofitable servants; we have done that which we ought to do." Luke 17:10


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    « Reply #35 on: April 09, 2013, 08:31:38 PM »
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  • Thank you, Sean, for uploading videos of His Excellency's conference! Much appreciated.

    As for the children there, it can be annoying when they start screaming at Mass or, in this case, a conference. That's what happens, though.

    I can understand parents bringing their children to Mass, but I don't quite understand why they would bring them to a conference.

    Anyway, thanks again, Sean.

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    « Reply #36 on: April 09, 2013, 08:35:51 PM »
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  • Neil Obstat,

    I don't know if this will help answer your inquiry in the quote below:

    "I have a question... the dramatic increase in said Glory at the time of the Triumph of the IHM, rises to a summit, and then falls -- what then can be said about the precipitous decline that falls away from the Triumph?  Is it not shown as a decline that is all the more catastrophic than the one currently in progress after the deplorable Vatican II?"

    If I understand you correctly, you would like to know why the precipitous fall at the end of the 6th Age. If that is your inquiry, there are some excellent books that explain and offer insights into that time period which I will list below.

    The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart rings in the 6th Epoch or 6th Age of the Church. There will be a great and miraculous time of renewal upon the earth. It is to last one generation. Some prophecies suggest 25 years, however, freewill makes it all conditional. It will be the best time in all of history to live, BUT ...the people will "become lax" with all of the joy and goodness that they experience and as a result, will not consider such things as the Sacrament of Confirmation important or necessary any longer. This will be a crack in which the Antichrist will use to do his work. (I apologize that I cannot find the exact quote, but it comes from the book "The Prophet and Our Times" by Rev. R. Gerald Cullerton.)

    Sound like the Jєωs in the desert?

    If you think about it, the people living during the time of the Old Testament had all of the prophecies that lead up to the Messiah-I think there were around 100-in which they were able to piece together the coming Messiah, just like a giant jigsaw puzzle, so too, we have all of the pieces necessary to construct our jigsaw puzzle to work out the Triumph of Our Lady's Immaculate Heart and other events at the end of the world.

    We have Holy Scripture, we have the apparitions and prophecies of Our Lady, we have the prophecies from Doctors of the Church (e.g. St. Augustine), as well as other saints and venerables to aid us in seeing the signs, and putting together this incredibly interesting puzzle for our times. Far, far, far more interesting than any TV show, cinema movie, or anything the modern world has to offer! We just have to look. This is why, I believe, that the good +Bishop tells us in almost every sermon and conference: "READ & STUDY!! He wants us to find these things!

    +His Excellency obviously has his finger on the pulse.


    If you are interested, here are the titles of 3 good books:
     
    1.) "The Prophets and Our Times" by Rev. R. Gerald Cullerton TAN

    2.) "The Book of Destiny" by Rev. Bernard Kramer TAN

    3.) "The End of the Present World: And the Mysteries of the Future Life: by Father Charles Arminjon SOPHIA INSTITUTE PRESS
    (Which by the way has St. Therese's testimony: "Reading this book was one of the greatest graces of my life.")

    And if you have the stomach for it a fourth one ...

    4.) "The Reign of Antichrist" by Rev. R. Gerald Cullerton TAN

    Each of these books provide insights into the end times and what we are living right now-and even moreso, with the rapid events in North Korea.

    God Bless!

























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    « Reply #37 on: April 09, 2013, 09:23:26 PM »
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  • I can understand how a little one might interfere with the focus of one trying to listen to the good Bishop, however I object to so called Catholics calling little babies BRATS, as well as other choice words.  

    Go figure!    :pop:
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    « Reply #38 on: April 09, 2013, 10:36:19 PM »
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    I can understand parents bringing their children to Mass, but I don't quite understand why they would bring them to a conference.


    Upon further thought, I can understand. Both parents want to attend the conference and have no one to watch their children, so they take them with them.

    I can understand how people would be upset at the constant screaming while they're trying to listen to the Bishop. Usually it's not too bad, though.
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    « Reply #39 on: April 30, 2013, 12:38:21 AM »
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  • There are 3 threads for these videos - one thread for
    each of 3 parts:



    1
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Bishop-Williamson-St-Paul-MN-Conference


    2
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Bishop-Williamson-St-Paul-MN-Conference-2


    3
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Bishop-Williamson-St-Paul-MN-Conference-3


    Obviously, this thread is the first link, and the other
    two are the second and third links.

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