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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: hollingsworth on April 26, 2013, 10:48:55 AM
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A slick new informercial video, produced by the SSPX, makes a compelling case for the construction of a huge new seminary in Virginia. On this video we see the Winona seminary operating to capacity, bursting at the seams, seminarians running around everywhere, crammed three to a dorm room, getting in one another's way. The serious overcrowding, we're told, affects the quality of the priestly preparation each candidate is receiving. It prevents students from achieving the level of quiet and contemplation required in the pursuit of their vocations, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgOS9m-SBHg&feature=player_embedded
Yet, when Fr. Pfluger was here in Post Falls on April 10 he spoke of a serious crisis in vocations within the Society. He told us that there were many students in the Society's schools alright, but "few vocations" coming out of them. Then he wondered aloud whether it was our fault. Are we providing the "faith and example" in order to win our children? Children have to see the truth in their parents and teachers, he said, (Oddly, no mention of priestly example). In that way alone can we win these children to give their lives for the church.
Bottom line: Are there many vocations in the Society or are there not? Does Fr. Pfluger testify to the reality of a lack of vocations? Or do Winona Seminary director Fr. LeRoux and other SSPX officials, featured in the video, give us the proper pictures of things as they really are? Touching priestly vocations, does the SSPX hold a flush or merely a pair?
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Don't have official figures, but I would say that both is the case.
The SSPX, given the number of parishioners, should have more vocations. They are much higher than the Novus Ordo levels, but not at pre-V2 levels, much less the ideal levels of the ages of Faith (not surprising given that today's cultural milieu is so much worse now than then, there is a great lack of formation due to public school, etc.). The lack of vocations is more evident among the brothers and sisters of the Society. There is definitely a dearth of vocations there, although still better than Novus-ordo land. On the other hand the Benedictines of Silver City have a good number of vocations, last I heard.
However, it is true that Winona is very overcrowded. I know several seminarians there and there are at least 3, sometimes 4 to a room (small room, mind you-the seminary rooms were originally monk cells). Most of those rooms would be adequate for a single person's basic needs, but would definitely be crowded for two people. Can't imagine what 4 would be like...cozy to say the least. I would say that most of the posters on CI would not enjoy it at all.
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I am not sure why, but when a grassroots organization switches from homespun posters and bakesales to glossy media campaigns, my gut reaction tells me that something has changed.
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If the SSPX seminaries are going to produce priests formed along the new line of thinking (heigh ho to conciLIAR Rome we go!), then I doubt to see any good, regardless of the numbers.
With respect to OLG monastery, with Father Raphael being given essentially the proverbial boot, the community has already been compromised. We do not need another Barroux, or Clear Creek OK styled monastic community. The Resistance can only accept, and heartily we are praying for, the REAL DEAL, to use modern parlance.
Trust to our Lord and His Blessed Mother to get us out of the mess created by sinful mortals.
The Shire must be scoured! :gandalf:
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They could have easily expanded Winona....the new Seminary is a waste of money.
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Seminarian retention is the SSPX's management problem.
Simple fix:
1. Replace Fr.LeRoux with Msgr. Williamson.
2. Throw out all the liberal texts and teach the orthodox Faith.
3. Tighten up the incoming seminarian specifications.
Screen for resolute, God fearing young men, who seek to reject the world, the devil and the flesh.
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I am not sure why, but when a grassroots organization switches from homespun posters and bakesales to glossy media campaigns, my gut reaction tells me that something has changed.
For years, we used to give to a diocesan charitable cause. Each time we sent a donation in, we received a short hand written thank you note. Furthermore, we never received solicitations for money. The group assisted the poor in an area of the city and, we thought, did a good work. One day, we started receiving very professional appearing brochures soliciting donations. When we did donate, we received a computer generated thank you form letter that also provided our "stewardship" information. Bottom line was that, instead of being staffed primarily with volunteers and operating on a shoe-string and actually doing a good work, the organization turned into a money making venture (though, of course, it was legally a not-for-profit) with a professional staff (i.e., well-paid college graduates) that had to cut services while increasing their property holdings.
After all, you have to pay well to get the best people....right??? :furtive:
While I don't really know the answer, I suspect that this diocesan charity no longer uses (or uses very few) volunteers, and few (if any) employees are Catholic. Based on its own advertising, I now see this as a purely secular "social services" organization with a Catholic sounding name.
I know absolutely nothing about what is going on with the SSPX seminary, but I do have the same sort of gut reaction that 1st Mansion Tenant describes.
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I am not sure why, but when a grassroots organization switches from homespun posters and bakesales to glossy media campaigns, my gut reaction tells me that something has changed.
It is ruthless exploitation of well-meaning Catholics to fund the subverters and persecutors of Catholic Tradition.
"Give us half your Christmas money"
The SSPX needs a delousing.
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I am not sure why, but when a grassroots organization switches from homespun posters and bakesales to glossy media campaigns, my gut reaction tells me that something has changed.
For years, we used to give to a diocesan charitable cause. Each time we sent a donation in, we received a short hand written thank you note. Furthermore, we never received solicitations for money. The group assisted the poor in an area of the city and, we thought, did a good work. One day, we started receiving very professional appearing brochures soliciting donations. When we did donate, we received a computer generated thank you form letter that also provided our "stewardship" information. Bottom line was that, instead of being staffed primarily with volunteers and operating on a shoe-string and actually doing a good work, the organization turned into a money making venture (though, of course, it was legally a not-for-profit) with a professional staff (i.e., well-paid college graduates) that had to cut services while increasing their property holdings.
After all, you have to pay well to get the best people....right??? :furtive:
While I don't really know the answer, I suspect that this diocesan charity no longer uses (or uses very few) volunteers, and few (if any) employees are Catholic. Based on its own advertising, I now see this as a purely secular "social services" organization with a Catholic sounding name.
I know absolutely nothing about what is going on with the SSPX seminary, but I do have the same sort of gut reaction that 1st Mansion Tenant describes.
I agree with you both. You're certainly on to something.
There's been a change -- a loss of respect/reverence for the sacrifices families have to make these days just to raise a family, let alone support the Church. It is a fact that for the past 250 years, it has never been harder to raise a Catholic family than here in 2013. The value of the dollar is at an all time low, and the economy is awful. It has never been as hard as today for young men to get established enough to start a family.
The SSPX Rule speaks about the Spirit of Poverty -- how we should take care of things, try to do without, etc. keeping in mind the sacrifices that every $10 bill represents. We should respect those sacrifices by trying to get by with as little as possible.
Now, that's all changed, at least in reality (the Rule might say the same thing, but now it's only lip service). Now they're downright cynical about us laymen -- comparing us to suburban, middle-class Americans who spend $500 on Christmas. As if that were accurate for most Trads!
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What I strongly suspect is that the new seminary will eventually be presented to Newchurch, and that some sort of conglomerate, hybrid priestly training will occur there in the future.
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What I strongly suspect is that the new seminary will eventually be presented to Newchurch, and that some sort of conglomerate, hybrid priestly training will occur there in the future.
It will be a center close to Washington DC for pro-Zionist, "traditional Catholic" Republicans.
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Unless they have good cash flow, this monstrosity could easily become a financial drain to the SSPX.
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSRvcpV6tstb_MSpOxW5JrQHKN-AdOfxfZ-ksTMyB5PfQAVQDOkrg)
Without sufficient benefactors, a forced sale to newChurch or some other organization would be likely.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-35a_DLhWqVU/TtY46QV1YDI/AAAAAAAAA-E/AoCGj9Ab7NI/s1600/crystal-cathedral.jpg)
The LA Crystal cathedral is a recent example of such a "white elephant".
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Glossy pamphlets! Hm? Grass root organizations? Hm? My mind says, ah, ha! When you look at New Order, they operate on the peoples money and then that money goes to Federal gov't through United Way and charities and such. For every $1. the New Order would see $3 and Grant monies for programs. Grants are very difficult to come by,to read, for they are kept hidden well! If you get clout from the governor, you could see the movements of the New Order. Dioceses newspapers can have articles written of grant monies to support certain programs. An idea to research and find out maybe more, is to be an interested person and phone or contact the charities and ask them if one was to financially support seminaries what program might that be? You want to know "the" program, not an answer like United Way, which is an umbrella of many orgs under it. It get the feeling that the money flow is from very, very high sources, and maybe out of our reach.
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Glossy pamphlets! Hm? Grass root organizations? Hm? My mind says, ah, ha! When you look at New Order, they operate on the peoples money and then that money goes to Federal gov't through United Way and charities and such. For every $1. the New Order would see $3 and Grant monies for programs. Grants are very difficult to come by,to read, for they are kept hidden well! If you get clout from the governor, you could see the movements of the New Order. Dioceses newspapers can have articles written of grant monies to support certain programs. An idea to research and find out maybe more, is to be an interested person and phone or contact the charities and ask them if one was to financially support seminaries what program might that be? You want to know "the" program, not an answer like United Way, which is an umbrella of many orgs under it. It get the feeling that the money flow is from very, very high sources, and maybe out of our reach.
And once you take tax money (in the United States) you must cease being a Catholic organization.
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What I strongly suspect is that the new seminary will eventually be presented to Newchurch, and that some sort of conglomerate, hybrid priestly training will occur there in the future.
The New Church and the Society have what each other needs---the Society has priests and people; the New Church has money and churches.
Once the "regularization" happens, and it will happen, there will be a spiffy new Seminary in Virginia, where the weather is warm.
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The New Church and the Society have what each other needs---the Society has priests and people; the New Church has money and churches.
Once the "regularization" happens, and it will happen, there will be a spiffy new Seminary in Virginia, where the weather is warm.
When a Catholic mother of seven talks this way, you know that the bells are tolling. Catholic mothers, it would seem to me, are the last hold outs. They are the ones who believe right up until the end, after the men folk have abandoned the cause. If many Catholic mothers in the SSPX are thinking the way this one is, well, the future of the apostolate may be pretty grim.
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I wonder if Dr. D. the priest will be teaching at the Taj Mahl seminary?
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The New Church and the Society have what each other needs---the Society has priests and people; the New Church has money and churches.
The SSPX has at most 400 priest, that is nothing. The SSPX has hardly any followers, I doubt they have 500,000 parishioners in the whole world.
There are over 1,000,000,000 Catholics in the world, 500,000 SSPXers is 0.0005%.
The New Church does however have the money to buy out of business the SSPX, which is what they are doing.
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I looked up the grants for religious seminaries. Wow! Lots of money out there and lots of matching by the thousands and millions! Papal foundation put up $5. mill. and the Catholic Extension, Catholics United fraternal Dept. Programs, Seminary Endowment Challenge lots of grants.
Now, remember about 5 years ago, the New Order went through restructuring. It meant that churches would close and mergers would take place, priests will be taking care of more than 1 or 2 parishes. Every business that you may know, like hospitals are doing the same. They are also building! I wonder if it may be possible that seminaries are doing the same. When I read some of the sites of the seminaries around the world, money is the problem to keep the seminarians with clothing, medical dental and books and etc. How would it be to have one great big seminary and all go there, in VA, practically for free. Now, I also wonder if it might even go coed, oh, now that would be scary. But that would make sense since that is how things are going.
And yes, once the money is taken from the federal gov't in grants, it is not catholic or religious as we know those definitions to be.
Again, for those reading this, please know that New Order is no religion as you may know it, it is the gov't getting its agenda done.
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Was there not a empty lot in Las Vagas for the new seminary? There the management could indulge in Catholic themes and have 'revenue centres' strategically placed where tourists can marvel at days gone by. Is this not part of a morally-sanitised church business serving the fantasies of both operators and consumers? There is something terribly artificial about the design of the seminary. Mock art reflecting mock religion?
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The New Church and the Society have what each other needs---the Society has priests and people; the New Church has money and churches.
The SSPX has at most 400 priest, that is nothing. The SSPX has hardly any followers, I doubt they have 500,000 parishioners in the whole world.
There are over 1,000,000,000 Catholics in the world, 500,000 SSPXers is 0.0005%.
The New Church does however have the money to buy out of business the SSPX, which is what they are doing.
I heard an American SSPX priest tell a diocesan one that the SSPX strength in the USA is about 20,000. I dont think that the global strength will exceed 200,000.
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A slick new informercial video, produced by the SSPX, makes a compelling case for the construction of a huge new seminary in Virginia. On this video we see the Winona seminary operating to capacity, bursting at the seams, seminarians running around everywhere, crammed three to a dorm room, getting in one another's way. The serious overcrowding, we're told, affects the quality of the priestly preparation each candidate is receiving. It prevents students from achieving the level of quiet and contemplation required in the pursuit of their vocations, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgOS9m-SBHg&feature=player_embedded
Yet, when Fr. Pfluger was here in Post Falls on April 10 he spoke of a serious crisis in vocations within the Society. He told us that there were many students in the Society's schools alright, but "few vocations" coming out of them. Then he wondered aloud whether it was our fault. Are we providing the "faith and example" in order to win our children? Children have to see the truth in their parents and teachers, he said, (Oddly, no mention of priestly example). In that way alone can we win these children to give their lives for the church.
Bottom line: Are there many vocations in the Society or are there not? Does Fr. Pfluger testify to the reality of a lack of vocations? Or do Winona Seminary director Fr. LeRoux and other SSPX officials, featured in the video, give us the proper pictures of things as they really are? Touching priestly vocations, does the SSPX hold a flush or merely a pair?
And this was one of their red herrings they brought to Saint Michael's to try to disparage Father Bolduc. "Well, where are the vocations?" I had one board member say to me, "How many vocations has Saint Michael's produced in the last 25 years?" GASP! That must be because Father Bolduc wasn't that great of a priest. We "need" the society here so we can get those vocations.
Father helped start Saint Mary's. In fact, he bought it for the Society. Without his help, they wouldn't have had it. WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT FATHER BOLDUC WAS A BOON OF HELP FOR ALL OF THE VOCATIONS COMING OUT OF SAINT MARY'S, KS SINCE THE BEGINNING?!
Those don't count though.
I feel like I'm going into an enemy camp everytime I go to Saint Michael's now. :cry: I feel deflated everytime I leave.
And the fact that Father Rostand was BRAGGING to Father Chazal, "WE got Father Bolduc's people!" Like it's some kind of GAME to them or something. Makes me sick.
Our parish priest right now is Father Themann. God help us.
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I feel like I'm going into an enemy camp everytime I go to Saint Michael's now. :cry: I feel deflated everytime I leave.
I feel the same way at our SSPX chapel now. The only good thing is our priest has a heavy French accent so my children don't know what he is saying in his sermons, thank God. How Vatican II is good and it was just the interpretation of the Council that let to novelties. This is painful.
Vocations will mean nothing if they are of the wrong sort. If the priest does not stand for Doctrine and the True Faith he does no good. Who wants a group of compromisers?
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I feel like I'm going into an enemy camp everytime I go to Saint Michael's now. :cry: I feel deflated everytime I leave.
I feel the same way at our SSPX chapel now. The only good thing is our priest has a heavy French accent so my children don't know what he is saying in his sermons, thank God. How Vatican II is good and it was just the interpretation of the Council that let to novelties. This is painful.
Vocations will mean nothing if they are of the wrong sort. If the priest does not stand for Doctrine and the True Faith he does no good. Who wants a group of compromisers?
Perhaps you mean a group of hypocrites?.Stating not to attend the Indult.Stick with the resistance.
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Great post, Seraphia. Yes, who does want a group willing to compromise? Our Lord, Himself, told us that we are either with Him or against Him. There is no third way.
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Vocations will mean nothing if they are of the wrong sort. If the priest does not stand for Doctrine and the True Faith he does no good. Who wants a group of compromisers?
The Traditional Benedictine Prior, Dom Gerard, tells me that an agreement with Rome would have opened up for us a huge field for the apostolate. Maybe, but in a world of ambiguity, facing in two directions at once, which would make us go rotten in the end. They insist: "But if you were with Rome, you would have more vocations." But vocations like that, if you breathed one word against Rome, would make life in our seminaries impossible!
Letter to the four bishops elect, June 12, 1988
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I feel like I'm going into an enemy camp everytime I go to Saint Michael's now. :cry: I feel deflated everytime I leave.
I feel the same way at our SSPX chapel now. The only good thing is our priest has a heavy French accent so my children don't know what he is saying in his sermons, thank God. How Vatican II is good and it was just the interpretation of the Council that let to novelties. This is painful.
Vocations will mean nothing if they are of the wrong sort. If the priest does not stand for Doctrine and the True Faith he does no good. Who wants a group of compromisers?
Perhaps you mean a group of hypocrites?.Stating not to attend the Indult.Stick with the resistance.
I am of the Resistance. But my mother is over 70 and not in good health. I will do all I can to get her to a valid Mass every week. Even if it is SSPX. We are fortunate for Fr. Hewko to visit us approximately once a month. Those are the times we look forward to assisting at Mass.
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I feel like I'm going into an enemy camp everytime I go to Saint Michael's now. :cry: I feel deflated everytime I leave.
I feel the same way at our SSPX chapel now. The only good thing is our priest has a heavy French accent so my children don't know what he is saying in his sermons, thank God. How Vatican II is good and it was just the interpretation of the Council that let to novelties. This is painful.
Vocations will mean nothing if they are of the wrong sort. If the priest does not stand for Doctrine and the True Faith he does no good. Who wants a group of compromisers?
Perhaps you mean a group of hypocrites?.Stating not to attend the Indult.Stick with the resistance.
I am of the Resistance. But my mother is over 70 and not in good health. I will do all I can to get her to a valid Mass every week. Even if it is SSPX. We are fortunate for Fr. Hewko to visit us approximately once a month. Those are the times we look forward to assisting at Mass.
I refuse to even talk to my octogenarian mother in law about this situation. We don't need a war in the family over this. She trusts the Society and so it would do no good to speak to her about such things. :(
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I refuse to even talk to my octogenarian mother in law about this situation. We don't need a war in the family over this. She trusts the Society and so it would do no good to speak to her about such things. :(
Thanks to The Recusant (which I can print out so she doesn't have to listen to me yap all the time) my mother knows exactly what is going on. She is very saddened, but also stubborn. That said, she helps monetarily for our Resistance Mass supplies.
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I refuse to even talk to my octogenarian mother in law about this situation. We don't need a war in the family over this. She trusts the Society and so it would do no good to speak to her about such things. :(
Thanks to The Recusant (which I can print out so she doesn't have to listen to me yap all the time) my mother knows exactly what is going on. She is very saddened, but also stubborn. That said, she helps monetarily for our Resistance Mass supplies.
But see, that's from the evil internet, so we can't trust those things. :mad:
The society says so.
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I refuse to even talk to my octogenarian mother in law about this situation. We don't need a war in the family over this. She trusts the Society and so it would do no good to speak to her about such things. :(
Thanks to The Recusant (which I can print out so she doesn't have to listen to me yap all the time) my mother knows exactly what is going on. She is very saddened, but also stubborn. That said, she helps monetarily for our Resistance Mass supplies.
But see, that's from the evil internet, so we can't trust those things. :mad:
The society says so.
Whilst it is a good and necessary publication one will still be for an agreement regardless. The negotiations with Rome began long before The Recusant was established. Even at the time of the distraction rosary crusades many realised something was not right.
'Oblationem', who operates a YouTube channel summarised it well when he/she stated if only people had questioned Bishop Fellay or had been more vocal. I paraphrase to a degree.
Even I got the "how dare you" suggest the rosary crusades were a smokescreen, a distraction commentary.
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Are SSPX vocations up or down? After our sermon on vocations, the problems of homeschooling, that children belong in the Society schools, and holiness, I mentioned to our pastor that holiness must start with the hierarchy. He replied that St. Therese, if given a choice between a holy priest and an intelligent priest, would choose an intelligent priest.
Can anyone help me out on this? I was told by a friend that St. Therese wanted holiness along with intelligence, someone capable of thinking.
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Are SSPX vocations up or down? After our sermon on vocations, the problems of homeschooling, that children belong in the Society schools, and holiness, I mentioned to our pastor that holiness must start with the hierarchy. He replied that St. Therese, if given a choice between a holy priest and an intelligent priest, would choose an intelligent priest.
Can anyone help me out on this? I was told by a friend that St. Therese wanted holiness along with intelligence, someone capable of thinking.
On that point are the SSPX priests, who have told blatant lies from the pulpit, 'holy' and 'intelligent' priests?
My experience with them is they don't really want laity thinking for themselves. Even the priest in St George's House tried to dismiss me as child. When I did present evidence, he changed his tune, and stated he would discuss with his Superior.
I do dislike when a priest takes people to be fools. People are not sheeple. I realise blind obedience is strong within the SSPX but weight is lended then to view point of telesphorus and we are dealing with a cult. It's not my view but I certainly oppose the pray, pay and obey mantra.
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'Oblationem', who operates a YouTube channel summarised it well when he/she stated if only people had questioned Bishop Fellay or had been more vocal.
To return to this briefly, I regard it as fair comment but do acknowledge a viewpoint I experienced of "I didn't know, I wasn't aware". Plausible but only to a degree.
Some said "What can I do"? To give credit when due many did do something and the resistance is bearing fruit and increasing by the day.
What is necessary now is to move forward. Establish new chapels, build up the network. The few euro each week, each month that went to the Church of Fellay should now go to the resistance.
If your priest is pro-deal, why remain in that chapel? Many will still attend out of loyalty to the Society though.
Could not a few laity come together and set up a co-operative and purchase a chapel. There are a 1001 things to be done for the resistance.
It's only a personal opinion but I would not longer encourage people to attend Mass via the SSPX. Perhaps if they have clergy like Fr Hewko or Fr Pfeiffer. They are rare though. The red,green,orange light scenario can be applied.
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Yet, when Fr. Pfluger was here in Post Falls on April 10 he spoke of a serious crisis in vocations within the Society. He told us that there were many students in the Society's schools alright, but "few vocations" coming out of them. Then he wondered aloud whether it was our fault. Are we providing the "faith and example" in order to win our children? Children have to see the truth in their parents and teachers, he said, (Oddly, no mention of priestly example). In that way alone can we win these children to give their lives for the church.
It would be wise for Fr. Pfluger to analyze how the poor treatment of SSPX priests by their superiors might affect vocations, rather than blanketly blaming parents (once again). The young men who have seen their beloved priets abruptly transferred away from their parishes (etc...) would certainly lose a little fervor for the priesthood. I know a couiple of lads whose fire was extinguished by just such an incident.
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To barbaraZ: Answer: St. Theresa would pick Holy:For Lucifer was very learned, an yet he was damned. Don't these "know-nothings" like to put us on a spot! Shame to them, for we know what awaits them. We pray for the enemy!
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The OP:
A slick new informercial video, produced by the SSPX, makes a compelling case for the construction of a huge new seminary in Virginia. On this video we see the Winona seminary operating to capacity, bursting at the seams, seminarians running around everywhere, crammed three to a dorm room, getting in one another's way. The serious overcrowding, we're told, affects the quality of the priestly preparation each candidate is receiving. It prevents students from achieving the level of quiet and contemplation required in the pursuit of their vocations, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgOS9m-SBHg&feature=player_embedded
Yet, when Fr. Pfluger was here in Post Falls on April 10 he spoke of a serious crisis in vocations within the Society. He told us that there were many students in the Society's schools alright, but "few vocations" coming out of them. Then he wondered aloud whether it was our fault. Are we providing the "faith and example" in order to win our children? Children have to see the truth in their parents and teachers, he said, (Oddly, no mention of priestly example). In that way alone can we win these children to give their lives for the church.
Bottom line: Are there many vocations in the Society or are there not? Does Fr. Pfluger testify to the reality of a lack of vocations? Or do Winona Seminary director Fr. LeRoux and other SSPX officials, featured in the video, give us the proper pictures of things as they really are? Touching priestly vocations, does the SSPX hold a flush or merely a pair?
And this was one of their red herrings they brought to Saint Michael's to try to disparage Father Bolduc. "Well, where are the vocations?" I had one board member say to me, "How many vocations has Saint Michael's produced in the last 25 years?" GASP! That must be because Father Bolduc wasn't that great of a priest. We "need" the society here so we can get those vocations.
Father helped start Saint Mary's. In fact, he bought it for the Society. Without his help, they wouldn't have had it. WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT FATHER BOLDUC WAS A BOON OF HELP FOR ALL OF THE VOCATIONS COMING OUT OF SAINT MARY'S, KS SINCE THE BEGINNING?!
Those don't count though.
I feel like I'm going into an enemy camp everytime I go to Saint Michael's now. :cry: I feel deflated everytime I leave.
And the fact that Father Rostand was BRAGGING to Father Chazal, "WE got Father Bolduc's people!" Like it's some kind of GAME to them or something. Makes me sick.
Our parish priest right now is Father Themann. God help us.
You were so very fortunate to have had Fr. Bolduc for your pastor.
Your good fortune is something no one can take away from you.
Think of all the people in the world who never met Fr. Hector Bolduc, and
how impoverished their spiritual fortune has been as a consequence.
I feel like I'm going into an enemy camp every time I go to Saint Michael's now. :cry: I feel deflated everytime I leave.
I feel the same way at our SSPX chapel now. The only good thing is our priest has a heavy French accent so my children don't know what he is saying in his sermons, thank God. How Vatican II is good and it was just the interpretation of the Council that let to novelties. This is painful.
Vocations will mean nothing if they are of the wrong sort. If the priest does not stand for Doctrine and the True Faith he does no good. Who wants a group of compromisers?
Perhaps you mean a group of hypocrites? Starting not to attend the Indult. Stick with the resistance.
I am of the Resistance. But my mother is over 70 and not in good health. I will do all I can to get her to a valid Mass every week. Even if it is SSPX. We are fortunate for Fr. Hewko to visit us approximately once a month. Those are the times we look forward to assisting at Mass.
I refuse to even talk to my octogenarian mother in law about this situation. We don't need a war in the family over this. She trusts the Society and so it would do no good to speak to her about such things. :(
You are very fortunate to still have your mother.
Spend time with her and perhaps read to her some favorite poetry, or
read to her from the Bible. Pray the Rosary with her, and read some of
her favorite Rosary meditations - whatever makes her happy to hear.
Read to her the entire Psalm where quotes are taken in today's Mass, then
read to her the propers of the Mass that are taken from the Psalm(s).
Get copies of the Mary Fabyan Windeatt children's books and read to her
about her favorite saints, like the Little Flower, or the Cure d'Ars, or St.
Francis, or any of the others -- there are about 20 of them.
What can she do about the vocation problem? Her ideas would be worth
listening to, but don't give her things to worry about if you can avoid it.
She is facing her own particular judgment and she needs to be prepared
as best as possible.
How fortunate you are to not have siblings in the NewOrder who interfere
with your care of your mother and make a rule that "You can't tell her
anything that makes her think about death" (which means you can't read
to her the De Profundis or sing for her the In Paradisum).
I refuse to even talk to my octogenarian mother in law about this situation. We don't need a war in the family over this. She trusts the Society and so it would do no good to speak to her about such things. :(
Thanks to The Recusant (which I can print out so she doesn't have to listen to me yap all the time) my mother knows exactly what is going on. She is very saddened, but also stubborn. That said, she helps monetarily for our Resistance Mass supplies.
But see, that's from the evil internet, so we can't trust those things. :mad:
The society says so.
Actually, don't let them get away with that!!
The Recusant is not "from the Internet." It is not virtually unreal.
It is not a fantasy.
Do not rely on printouts from the Internet.
Send the Editor an e-mail and request him to mail you a hard copy in the mail.
mailto: recusantsspx@hotmail.co.uk
Provide your name and address and he will mail you the latest issue or
if you ask, a back issue. Use the Paypal Donate button on his website
to send a modest donation to cover postage and printing costs.
Two issues cost about £3.30 plus printing (1.22 ea?) = £6.44 (GBP) = $10.00 (USD)
- mailed to overseas, like USA.
Then you can hold it in your hand and point at the pictures:
This is St. Thomas More. This is St. John Fisher.
This is what The Recusant is (the words on the page between the pictures):
"An unofficial SSPX Newsletter fighting a guerilla war for the soul of Tradition."
Yet, when Fr. Pfluger was here in Post Falls on April 10 he spoke of a serious crisis in vocations within the Society. He told us that there were many students in the Society's schools alright, but "few vocations" coming out of them. Then he wondered aloud whether it was our fault. Are we providing the "faith and example" in order to win our children? Children have to see the truth in their parents and teachers, he said, (Oddly, no mention of priestly example). In that way alone can we win these children to give their lives for the church.
It would be wise for Fr. Pfluger to analyze how the poor treatment of SSPX priests by their superiors might affect vocations, rather than blanketly blaming parents (once again). The young men who have seen their beloved priets abruptly transferred away from their parishes (etc...) would certainly lose a little fervor for the priesthood. I know a couiple of lads whose fire was extinguished by just such an incident.
Right! Transfers for no good reason, orders to be "silent" about certain
topics (like the 'deal' with modernist Rome) - that ABL NEVER did, monitored
e-mail and telephone, removed from duty, and even expelled. Why would
any young man want to have any part of that?
Why would a boy who has a vocation to be a priest want to go to a
seminary where he will be trained to be a priest, only to find that he is
trained to NOT be a priest, and if he DARES TRY to be a priest, or if they
find out that he intends to EVER ACT AS A PRIEST they will not ordain
him, or, if they find out early enough, they won't let him into the seminary
in the first place???!!!
This is the same thing that's been going on in the Novordien seminaries for
many years.
Pretty soon, there will be Freemasons screening applicants, and in order
to make the cut at a SSPX seminary like Winona, the applicants will
have to provide answers to questions to the effect that they don't mind
working with fαɢs, that they do not have any problem associating with
fαɢs, or that perhaps they ARE a FAG.
And if not, then they will be rejected on the basis of not being sufficiently
"pastorally sensitive." They will be told, "We're sorry, but right now we have
a need for seminarians with a greater capacity for pastoral sensitivity.
Perhaps next year our needs will change and you can re-apply."
The seminary of St. John's Camarillo here in L.A. has been known as
the Pink Palace for about 30 years.
How about the Pink Palace Virginia?