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Offline John Grace

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« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2013, 11:24:44 AM »
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    I refuse to even talk to my octogenarian mother in law about this situation. We don't need a war in the family over this. She trusts the Society and so it would do no good to speak to her about such things. :(


    Thanks to The Recusant (which I can print out so she doesn't have to listen to me yap all the time) my mother knows exactly what is going on. She is very saddened, but also stubborn. That said, she helps monetarily for our Resistance Mass supplies.


    But see, that's from the evil internet, so we can't trust those things.   :mad:

    The society says so.


    Whilst it is a good and necessary publication one will still be for an agreement regardless. The negotiations with Rome began long before The Recusant was established. Even at the time of the distraction rosary crusades many realised something was not right.

    'Oblationem', who operates a YouTube channel summarised it well when he/she stated if only people had questioned Bishop Fellay or had been more vocal. I paraphrase to a degree.

    Even I got the "how dare you" suggest the rosary crusades were a smokescreen, a distraction commentary.


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    « Reply #31 on: April 29, 2013, 11:28:49 AM »
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  • Are SSPX vocations up or down?  After our sermon on vocations, the problems of homeschooling, that children belong in the Society schools, and holiness,  I mentioned to our pastor that holiness must start with the hierarchy.  He replied that St. Therese, if given a choice between  a holy priest and an intelligent priest, would choose an intelligent priest.  

    Can anyone help me out on this?  I was told by a friend that St. Therese wanted holiness along with intelligence, someone capable of thinking.


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    « Reply #32 on: April 29, 2013, 11:37:36 AM »
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    Are SSPX vocations up or down?  After our sermon on vocations, the problems of homeschooling, that children belong in the Society schools, and holiness,  I mentioned to our pastor that holiness must start with the hierarchy.  He replied that St. Therese, if given a choice between  a holy priest and an intelligent priest, would choose an intelligent priest.  

    Can anyone help me out on this?  I was told by a friend that St. Therese wanted holiness along with intelligence, someone capable of thinking.


    On that point are the SSPX priests, who have told blatant lies from the pulpit, 'holy' and 'intelligent' priests?

    My experience with them is they don't really want laity thinking for themselves. Even the priest in St George's House tried to dismiss me as child. When I did present evidence, he changed his tune, and stated he would discuss with his Superior.

    I do dislike when a priest takes people to be fools. People are not sheeple. I realise blind obedience is strong within the SSPX but weight is lended then to view point of telesphorus and we are dealing with a cult. It's not my view but I certainly oppose the pray, pay and obey mantra.

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    « Reply #33 on: April 29, 2013, 12:35:32 PM »
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    'Oblationem', who operates a YouTube channel summarised it well when he/she stated if only people had questioned Bishop Fellay or had been more vocal.


    To return to this briefly, I regard it as fair comment but do acknowledge a viewpoint I experienced of "I didn't know, I wasn't aware". Plausible but only to a degree.
    Some said "What can I do"? To give credit when due many did do something and the resistance is bearing fruit and increasing by the day.

    What is necessary now is to move forward. Establish new chapels, build up the network. The few euro each week, each month that went to the Church of Fellay should now go to the resistance.

    If your priest is pro-deal, why remain in that chapel? Many will still attend out of loyalty to the Society though.

    Could not a few laity come together and set up a co-operative and purchase a chapel. There are a 1001 things to be done for the resistance.

    It's only a personal opinion but I would not longer encourage people to attend Mass via the SSPX. Perhaps  if they have clergy  like Fr Hewko or Fr Pfeiffer. They are rare though.  The red,green,orange light scenario can be applied.

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    « Reply #34 on: April 29, 2013, 01:57:24 PM »
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    Yet, when Fr. Pfluger was here in Post Falls on April 10 he spoke of a serious crisis in vocations within the Society.  He told us that there were many students in the Society's schools alright, but "few vocations" coming out of them.  Then he wondered aloud whether it was our fault.  Are we providing the "faith and example" in order to win our children?  Children have to see the truth in their parents and teachers, he said, (Oddly, no mention of priestly example). In that way alone can we win these children to give their lives for the church.


    It would be wise for Fr. Pfluger to analyze how the poor treatment of SSPX priests by their superiors might affect vocations, rather than blanketly blaming parents (once again). The young men who have seen their beloved priets abruptly transferred away from their parishes (etc...) would certainly lose a little fervor for the priesthood. I know a couiple of lads whose fire was extinguished by just such an incident.


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    « Reply #35 on: April 29, 2013, 05:07:54 PM »
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  • To barbaraZ:  Answer:  St. Theresa would pick Holy:For Lucifer was very learned, an yet he was damned.  Don't these "know-nothings" like to put us on a spot!  Shame to them, for we know what awaits them.  We pray for the enemy!

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    « Reply #36 on: April 30, 2013, 11:48:41 PM »
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    Quote from: parentsfortruth
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    A slick new informercial video, produced by the SSPX, makes a compelling case for the construction of a huge new seminary in Virginia.  On this video we see the Winona seminary operating to capacity, bursting at the seams, seminarians running around everywhere, crammed three to a dorm room, getting in one another's way.  The serious overcrowding,  we're told, affects the quality of the priestly preparation each candidate is receiving.  It prevents students from achieving the level of quiet and contemplation required in the pursuit of their vocations, etc.


    Yet, when Fr. Pfluger was here in Post Falls on April 10 he spoke of a serious crisis in vocations within the Society.  He told us that there were many students in the Society's schools alright, but "few vocations" coming out of them.  Then he wondered aloud whether it was our fault.  Are we providing the "faith and example" in order to win our children?  Children have to see the truth in their parents and teachers, he said, (Oddly, no mention of priestly example). In that way alone can we win these children to give their lives for the church.

    Bottom line: Are there many vocations in the Society or are there not?  Does Fr. Pfluger testify to the reality of a lack of vocations?  Or do Winona Seminary director Fr. LeRoux and other SSPX officials, featured in the video, give us the proper pictures of things as they really are?  Touching priestly vocations, does the SSPX hold a flush or merely a pair?    


    And this was one of their red herrings they brought to Saint Michael's to try to disparage Father Bolduc. "Well, where are the vocations?" I had one board member say to me, "How many vocations has Saint Michael's produced in the last 25 years?" GASP! That must be because Father Bolduc wasn't that great of a priest. We "need" the society here so we can get those vocations.

    Father helped start Saint Mary's. In fact, he bought it for the Society. Without his help, they wouldn't have had it. WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT FATHER BOLDUC WAS A BOON OF HELP FOR ALL OF THE VOCATIONS COMING OUT OF SAINT MARY'S, KS SINCE THE BEGINNING?!

    Those don't count though.

    I feel like I'm going into an enemy camp everytime I go to Saint Michael's now.  :cry: I feel deflated everytime I leave.

    And the fact that Father Rostand was BRAGGING to Father Chazal, "WE got Father Bolduc's people!" Like it's some kind of GAME to them or something. Makes me sick.

    Our parish priest right now is Father Themann. God help us.


    You were so very fortunate to have had Fr. Bolduc for your pastor.

    Your good fortune is something no one can take away from you.

    Think of all the people in the world who never met Fr. Hector Bolduc, and
    how impoverished their spiritual fortune has been as a consequence.


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    I feel like I'm going into an enemy camp every time I go to Saint Michael's now.  :cry: I feel deflated everytime I leave.



    I feel the same way at our SSPX chapel now. The only good thing is our priest has a heavy French accent so my children don't know what he is saying in his sermons, thank God. How Vatican II is good and it was just the interpretation of the Council that let to novelties. This is painful.

    Vocations will mean nothing if they are of the wrong sort. If the priest does not stand for Doctrine and the True Faith he does no good. Who wants a group of compromisers?


    Perhaps you mean a group of hypocrites? Starting not to attend the Indult. Stick with the resistance.


    I am of the Resistance. But my mother is over 70 and not in good health. I will do all I can to get her to a valid Mass every week. Even if it is SSPX. We are fortunate for Fr. Hewko to visit us approximately once a month. Those are the times we look forward to assisting at Mass.


    I refuse to even talk to my octogenarian mother in law about this situation. We don't need a war in the family over this. She trusts the Society and so it would do no good to speak to her about such things. :(


    You are very fortunate to still have your mother.

    Spend time with her and perhaps read to her some favorite poetry, or
    read to her from the Bible.  Pray the Rosary with her, and read some of
    her favorite Rosary meditations - whatever makes her happy to hear.

    Read to her the entire Psalm where quotes are taken in today's Mass, then
    read to her the propers of the Mass that are taken from the Psalm(s).

    Get copies of the Mary Fabyan Windeatt children's books and read to her
    about her favorite saints, like the Little Flower, or the Cure d'Ars, or St.
    Francis, or any of the others -- there are about 20 of them.

    What can she do about the vocation problem?  Her ideas would be worth
    listening to, but don't give her things to worry about if you can avoid it.  
    She is facing her own particular judgment and she needs to be prepared
    as best as possible.  

    How fortunate you are to not have siblings in the NewOrder who interfere
    with your care of your mother and make a rule that "You can't tell her
    anything that makes her think about death"  (which means you can't read
    to her the De Profundis or sing for her the In Paradisum).


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    I refuse to even talk to my octogenarian mother in law about this situation. We don't need a war in the family over this. She trusts the Society and so it would do no good to speak to her about such things. :(


    Thanks to The Recusant (which I can print out so she doesn't have to listen to me yap all the time) my mother knows exactly what is going on. She is very saddened, but also stubborn. That said, she helps monetarily for our Resistance Mass supplies.


    But see, that's from the evil internet, so we can't trust those things.   :mad:

    The society says so.


    Actually, don't let them get away with that!!  

    The Recusant is not "from the Internet."  It is not virtually unreal.  
    It is not a fantasy.  
    Do not rely on printouts from the Internet.  
    Send the Editor an e-mail and request him to mail you a hard copy in the mail.

    mailto: recusantsspx@hotmail.co.uk
     
    Provide your name and address and he will mail you the latest issue or
    if you ask, a back issue.  Use the Paypal Donate button on his website
    to send a modest donation to cover postage and printing costs.  

    Two issues cost about  £3.30 plus printing (1.22 ea?) = £6.44 (GBP) =  $10.00 (USD)
     - mailed to overseas, like USA.

    Then you can hold it in your hand and point at the pictures:  
    This is St. Thomas More.  This is St. John Fisher.

    This is what The Recusant is (the words on the page between the pictures):
    "An unofficial SSPX Newsletter fighting a guerilla war for the soul of Tradition."



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    Quote from: hollingsworth
    Yet, when Fr. Pfluger was here in Post Falls on April 10 he spoke of a serious crisis in vocations within the Society.  He told us that there were many students in the Society's schools alright, but "few vocations" coming out of them.  Then he wondered aloud whether it was our fault.  Are we providing the "faith and example" in order to win our children?  Children have to see the truth in their parents and teachers, he said, (Oddly, no mention of priestly example). In that way alone can we win these children to give their lives for the church.


    It would be wise for Fr. Pfluger to analyze how the poor treatment of SSPX priests by their superiors might affect vocations, rather than blanketly blaming parents (once again). The young men who have seen their beloved priets abruptly transferred away from their parishes (etc...) would certainly lose a little fervor for the priesthood. I know a couiple of lads whose fire was extinguished by just such an incident.


    Right!  Transfers for no good reason, orders to be "silent" about certain
    topics (like the 'deal' with modernist Rome) - that ABL NEVER did, monitored
    e-mail and telephone, removed from duty, and even expelled.  Why would
    any young man want to have any part of that?  

    Why would a boy who has a vocation to be a priest want to go to a
    seminary where he will be trained to be a priest, only to find that he is
    trained to NOT be a priest, and if he DARES TRY to be a priest, or if they
    find out that he intends to EVER ACT AS A PRIEST they will not ordain
    him, or, if they find out early enough, they won't let him into the seminary
    in the first place???!!!

    This is the same thing that's been going on in the Novordien seminaries for
    many years.  

    Pretty soon, there will be Freemasons screening applicants, and in order
    to make the cut at a SSPX seminary like Winona, the applicants will
    have to provide answers to questions to the effect that they don't mind
    working with fαɢs, that they do not have any problem associating with
    fαɢs, or that perhaps they ARE a FAG.

    And if not, then they will be rejected on the basis of not being sufficiently  
    "pastorally sensitive."  They will be told, "We're sorry, but right now we have
    a need for seminarians with a greater capacity for pastoral sensitivity.  
    Perhaps next year our needs will change and you can re-apply."



    The seminary of St. John's Camarillo here in L.A. has been known as
    the Pink Palace for about 30 years.

    How about the Pink Palace Virginia?  



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