Author Topic: Are Fathers Chazal and Pheiffer now Independent Priests? (Read 5465 times)

1st Mansion Tenant · « **on:** October 28, 2012, 08:38:09 PM »

I understand that they were expelled from their Society, but they were not stripped of their Priesthood. So does that now make them Independent Priests? Are they Secular Priests? Sure someone here can tell me. ( Also, what is a secular priest?)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** October 28, 2012, 08:40:53 PM »

It's Pfeiffer.

There is no change in their canonical status.

The SSPX has no official jurisdiction.

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #2 on:** October 28, 2012, 09:34:06 PM »

I'm sorry Telesphorus, I don't understand.

Do you mean that they are not priests anymore and he is only now "Pheiffer"

or that you are "Pheiffer"? ( I don't think that was it)

Or that you don't believe the SSPX has valid priests to begin with? :confused1:

MaterDominici · « **Reply #3 on:** October 28, 2012, 09:57:20 PM »

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant

I'm sorry Telesphorus, I don't understand.

Do you mean that they are not priests anymore and he is only now "Pheiffer"

or that you are "Pheiffer"? ( I don't think that was it)

He was correcting your spelling of P-F-E-I-F-F-E-R.

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #4 on:** October 29, 2012, 12:02:46 AM »

My apologies. I am not accustomed to spelling German surnames off the cuff. I am fairly sure Fr. P-F-E-I-F-F-E-R would not have taken as much offense as you do on his behalf. As usual, some people are more interested in misspellings, typos, and incorrect punctuation than they are in the question or information presented. I think some of you have such small lives that the only joy you have is found in laying in wait for someone to make a mistake so you can pounce on it. It must give you some feeling of superiority that you lack otherwise. Not unlike the nitpicking Pharisees that you disdain. (or is that P-F-arisees?) I would rather be illiterate and unable to spell C-A-T-H-O-L-I-C than be a mean-spirited one.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #5 on:** October 29, 2012, 12:13:39 AM »

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant

My apologies. I am not accustomed to spelling German surnames off the cuff. I am fairly sure Fr. P-F-E-I-F-F-E-R would not have taken as much offense as you do on his behalf. As usual, some people are more interested in misspellings, typos, and incorrect punctuation than they are in the question or information presented. I think some of you have such small lives that the only joy you have is found in laying in wait for someone to make a mistake so you can pounce on it. It must give you some feeling of superiority that you lack otherwise. Not unlike the nitpicking Pharisees that you disdain. (or is that P-F-arisees?) I would rather be illiterate and unable to spell C-A-T-H-O-L-I-C than be a mean-spirited one.

Take a breath.
Tele only said 3 words regarding the spelling, the rest of his post was unrelated, so you might wish to revisit it and see if you understand what he was saying.
I only put the name in dashes as you were clearly confused the first time.

As for your question, I think to be called an "Independent priest", one would have to be working on his own--generally for a single parish. As Fr Pfeiffer is working with others and willing to join with more, he can't really be considered "independent".

A secular priest is one who serves congregations of laymen as opposed to a religious priest who serves his fellow brothers and other religious.

Francisco · « **Reply #6 on:** October 29, 2012, 12:27:25 AM »

TRADITIO reports today that Frs Chazal and Pfeiffer were ousted from the SSPX church at Post Falls by Fr Rostand, when they went inside for private prayers. No source is given for this story.

Stubborn · « **Reply #7 on:** October 29, 2012, 06:30:35 AM »

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant

I understand that they were expelled from their Society, but they were not stripped of their Priesthood. So does that now make them Independent Priests? Are they Secular Priests? Sure someone here can tell me. ( Also, what is a secular priest?)

This whole episode within the SSPX is playing out like a rerun of the revolution of V2's early years. It's all about "Divide and Conquer" - that theme has never changed and most likely never will.

IMO, I would not spend too much time thinking about this but yes, they are now Independent Priests.

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #8 on:** October 29, 2012, 10:22:15 AM »

My sincere apologies if I snapped too soon. It seemed to me that there had been a really annoying amount of the aforementioned nitpicky-ness of late. I am sorry if I mistook the replies for more of the same. Thank you for your answers to my question.

AveMarisStella · « **Reply #9 on:** October 29, 2012, 08:19:04 PM »

Quote from: Pablo

"Nuestra Senora Santa Maria de Guadalupe loves Father Joseph Pfeiffer dearly. More than any other Priest I have ever known in my life. He prays for his brother. Our Lady will not let Father Pfeiffer come to harm. Either one of them."

To All You Doubting Thomases:

Fr. Pfeiffer confirmed to us personally at the kitchen table that Pablo is his donkey. He's had to slap him around at times (his words, not mine). But he loves him.

BTW -- to those that doubt -- I also heard from Father's mouth that he and Fr. Chazal were personally banned by Fr. Rostand from entering Immaculate Church in Post Falls, ID.

Fr. Pfeiffer was IN MY HOME when he received the phone call from Fr. Chazal that Fr. Rostand, who happened to be in town for the weekend, and was at the Church, banned both of them from stepping foot on the Church's property. They just wanted to go there and say their prayers. Fr. Rostand threatened to call the police because it's "private property". The Church built and paid for by the faithful, is "private property". I could hear Fr. Chazal through the phone. When he hung up, Fr. Pfeiffer told us what happened. Like +ABL, they hide nothing from their friends.

They were reduced to driving over to the local FSSP Chapel to say their prayers. Fr. Pfeiffer spent the night sleeping in his car last night parked out front of Immaculate Conception Church. He was out late meeting with the faithful and area priests and was afraid he would wake up the people in whose home he was staying.

Father Pfeiffer's white cassock is old. His shoes are falling apart and are run down at the heels. He never stops going. He goes where he's called to. If I could find out his shoe size, I would buy him new shoes if he would let me. I gave him socks, some razors, a new toothbrush and toothpaste and some power bars. I gave what I could. And sacred coffee.

The faithful housed them and fed them. These priests gave us everything. Our homes and families will be blessed.

Those that know him, know I speak the truth.

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #10 on:** October 30, 2012, 10:27:42 AM »

AveMariaStellas, thank you for your post. It brought tears to my eyes. The Frs should be in my area soon, and I offer my humble home to them if necessary. I say necessary because I am hoping some other faithful with nicer amenities will volunteer. This place is more akin to the stable when there is no room at the inn, but they are welcome to come and "bless this mess".

All of us here who talked so big before they were expelled about how the faithful would take care of them, and God wouldn't let them down, need to hit that paypal button on their Inthissignyoushallconquer.com site or put a check in the mail to the chapel in Kentucky. Especially those who promised weekly donations. Even those small amounts make a difference when added to the pot. These men have worked to exhaustion, been mistreated, humiliated, lost friends, been stripped of their good reputations in order to save Catholic Tradition for the faithful and the world. Its time to pony up.

AveMarisStella · « **Reply #11 on:** October 30, 2012, 11:21:08 AM »

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant

AveMariaStellas, thank you for your post. It brought tears to my eyes. The Frs should be in my area soon, and I offer my humble home to them if necessary. I say necessary because I am hoping some other faithful with nicer amenities will volunteer. This place is more akin to the stable when there is no room at the inn, but they are welcome to come and "bless this mess".

All of us here who talked so big before they were expelled about how the faithful would take care of them, and God wouldn't let them down, need to hit that paypal button on their Inthissignyoushallconquer.com site or put a check in the mail to the chapel in Kentucky. Especially those who promised weekly donations. Even those small amounts make a difference when added to the pot. These men have worked to exhaustion, been mistreated, humiliated, lost friends, been stripped of their good reputations in order to save Catholic Tradition for the faithful and the world. Its time to pony up.

Dear Tenant:

Although it was not my intention to move any to tears, I will not blame you for them. God bless your loving heart.

I was speaking from my heart. I did not know what to expect when the priests came here. I didn't get to see much of Fr. Chazal, mostly Fr. Pfeiffer, so that is why I speak mostly of him.

When they come to your area, you will see what I am talking about. They don't need my recommendation.

Nada te turbe! Solo Dios basta.

:wink:

AveMarisStella · « **Reply #12 on:** October 30, 2012, 02:12:04 PM »

Quote from: AveMarisStella

BTW -- to those that doubt -- I also heard from Father's mouth that he and Fr. Chazal were personally banned by Fr. Rostand from entering Immaculate Church in Post Falls, ID.

Fr. Pfeiffer was IN MY HOME when he received the phone call from Fr. Chazal that Fr. Rostand, who happened to be in town for the weekend, and was at the Church, banned both of them from stepping foot on the Church's property. They just wanted to go there and say their prayers. Fr. Rostand threatened to call the police because it's "private property". The Church built and paid for by the faithful, is "private property". I could hear Fr. Chazal through the phone. When he hung up, Fr. Pfeiffer told us what happened. Like +ABL, they hide nothing from their friends.[/b]

I am willing to alter my statement that Fr. Rostand did NOT say he would "call the police." But I stand by my statement that he did tell Fr. Chazal that they were NOT WELCOME at IC AND that it was "private property".

Is it unreasonable to recognize the implication that the "private property" statement was a threat?

Fr. Chazal KNOWS Fr. Rostand. I don't. Is he being unreasonable to interpret Fr. Rostand's "private property" statement as a threat of some kind?

Catechist99 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 30, 2012, 04:03:45 PM »

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant

All of us here who talked so big before they were expelled about how the faithful would take care of them, and God wouldn't let them down, need to hit that paypal button on their Inthissignyoushallconquer.com site or put a check in the mail to the chapel in Kentucky. Especially those who promised weekly donations. Even those small amounts make a difference when added to the pot. These men have worked to exhaustion, been mistreated, humiliated, lost friends, been stripped of their good reputations in order to save Catholic Tradition for the faithful and the world. Its time to pony up.

It's easier to give them cash if you get a chance to meet them in person. It's hard for them to cash checks as they don't really have ready access to banks.

I will also echo what AMS said about Fr. Pfeiffer's shoes--they had holes in the bottoms. I think he's too humble to accept new ones but someone might try.

Catechist99 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 30, 2012, 04:11:18 PM »

Quote from: AveMarisStella

To All You Doubting Thomases:

Picture of Fr. Pfeiffer blessing all the men in my dirty kitchen after we women fed them breakfast.