Archbishop’s Sense – II

Towards Rome a great Archbishop, yes, did push.
But what can be done when Romans’ minds are mush?

Twelve weeks ago (Oct. 5) “Eleison Comments” presented a first series of extracts from the last public interview of Archbishop Lefebvre, given to Fideliter magazine in early 1991. Here follows a second and last series of extracts, slightly edited but only for the sake of brevity and clarity:—

Q: What conclusions can we draw from the Society of St Pius X after 20 years of its existence?

A: The Good Lord wanted Catholic Tradition. I am deeply convinced that the Society is the means that God wanted to keep and maintain the Faith, the truth of the Church. We must continue faithfully to keep the treasures of the Church, hoping that one day they may resume the place which they should never have lost in Rome.

Q: You often say that, more than the liturgy, it is now the Faith which opposes us to modern Rome.

A: Certainly the question of the liturgy and the sacraments is very important, but the most important is the question of the Faith. This is not a question for us. We have the Faith of all time, of the Council of Trent, of the Catechism of St. Pius X, of all the Councils and all the Popes before Vatican II. For years they have tried in Rome to show that everything in the Council was fully consistent with this Tradition. Now they are showing their true colours by saying there is no longer any Tradition or Deposit to be transmitted. Tradition in the Church is whatever the Pope is saying today. You must submit to what the Pope and the bishops say today. Here is their famous ‘Living Tradition,’ which was the only basis for our condemnation in 1988.

Now they have given up trying to prove that what they say is consistent with what Pius IX wrote or with what the Council of Trent promulgated. No, all of that is over; it’s outdated, as Cardinal Ratzinger said. It is clear, and they might have said so earlier. There was no point in our talking, in our discussing with them. Now we suffer from the tyranny of authority, because there are no longer any rules from the past.

They are showing more and more that we are right. We are dealing with people who have a different philosophy from ours, a different way of seeing, who are influenced by all modern subjectivist philosophers. For them there is no fixed truth, there is no dogma. Everything is evolving. This is really the Masonic destruction of the Faith. Fortunately, we have Tradition to lean on!

Q: You have emphasized that you are sure that the Society is blessed by God, because at several points it could have disappeared.

A: Indeed. It has kept coming under very difficult attacks. That is very painful, but we must nonetheless believe that the line of Faith and Tradition that we are following, is imperishable, because God cannot allow his Church to perish.

Q; What can you say to those of the faithful who still hope in the possibility of an agreement with Rome?

A: Our true faithful, those who have understood the problem and who have precisely helped us to continue along the straight and firm path of Tradition and the Faith, told me that the approaches I was making towards Rome were dangerous and that I was wasting my time. Yet I hoped until the last minute that in Rome we would witness a little bit of loyalty, so I cannot be blamed for not having done the maximum. So now too, to those who say to me, “You’ve got to reach an agreement with Rome,” I think I can say that I then went even further than I should have.

Kyrie eleison.

So now you even mock the words of Archbishop Lefebvre, Green Scapular. Is nothing sacred?

Sorry, my mistake!  I had only glanced through this week's EC and just skimmed the Q&A's while watching a movie, texting, chatting with a friend, and taking care of an elderly relative.  I missed the introductory explanation that it was an old interview with Archbishop Lefebvre and read it thinking Bishop Williamson was asking and answering his own questions.  I was pleased to hear him sounding extra reasonable this week, except for that one part I quoted.  It seemed quite humorous to me that Bishop Williamson was apparently referring to DM as "our true faithful! :)  

Anyway, lesson learned about my reading comprehension abilities while multitasking and tired.    

Do you always make careless, imprudent comments when you log on to Cath Info, while entertaining yourself with boobtube.

He apologized. Let it go.  Besides, if you took the time to think about what he wrote, you would've been able to figure out that he thought Bishop Williamson had said it.

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Do you always make careless, imprudent comments when you log on to Cath Info, while entertaining yourself with boobtube.

He apologized. Let it go.  Besides, if you took the time to think about what he wrote, you would've been able to figure out that he thought Bishop Williamson had said it.

Yes, you are correct.

Let's not think, however, that we mist diligently attack every word that comes from Bishop Williamson without even taking the time to see if it is a direct quote from the Archbishop or some other saint. The fact of the matter is that these anonymous users check in every so often overly eager to attack anything from the bishop, just waiting for the EC to come out so they can come here to throw mud at the bishop ever so joyously without even taking the time read what is being stated. It is extremely unappropriate and should stop. Add to this that he was busy entertaining himself with his television while doing this and we have further details into what kind of anonymous commrntator we are dealing with.

We are talking about a bishop, and in this case a saintly Archbishop, of the Catholic Church. I am not alone in becoming frustrated with these overly eager, ignorant attacks on every single word the bishop says. That's why I asked the question, to cause a bit of reflection, since very few people think about the matter they are posting about (or even care to read it).

Fair enough.  

I said "watching a movie", not watching TV.  It seems to me that you (Centro) are being overeager to attack me while not reading exactly what I wrote.   :scratchchin:
 

Please, do tell us, what was the name of the movie?

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I said "watching a movie", not watching TV.  It seems to me that you (Centro) are being overeager to attack me while not reading exactly what I wrote.   :scratchchin:
 

Please, do tell us, what was the name of the movie?

Centroamerica, what exactly is your problem? Your first comment to Green Scapular was unnecesarily unkind and rude and this, your last comment to him (hopefully) was also rude. What business is it of yours what movie he was watching?!

Centro:

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Let's not think, however, that we mist diligently attack every word that comes from Bishop Williamson without even taking the time to see if it is a direct quote from the Archbishop or some other saint. The fact of the matter is that these anonymous users check in every so often overly eager to attack anything from the bishop, just waiting for the EC to come out so they can come here to throw mud at the bishop ever so joyously without even taking the time read what is being stated. It is extremely unappropriate and should stop. Add to this that he was busy entertaining himself with his television while doing this and we have further details into what kind of anonymous commrntator we are dealing with.

We are talking about a bishop, and in this case a saintly Archbishop, of the Catholic Church. I am not alone in becoming frustrated with these overly eager, ignorant attacks on every single word the bishop says. That's why I asked the question, to cause a bit of reflection, since very few people think about the matter they are posting about (or even care to read it).

I quote your entire comment, because I think it bears repeating.  These folks are seeking every opportunity to heap opprobrium upon a holy bishop, whose basic humility seems to irritate some of them.  Green something, according to my sources, may be a woman hailing from the St. Mary's KS area.  If so, then she's just another sspx zombie among that spiritually lobotomized sect headquartered in the Midwest.  One can't take her too seriously.  I would suggest, though, that in the future she select the movies she watches more carefully.  Watching most of the cinematic trash coming out of Jєωιѕн Hollywood is certainly no better than watching Jєωιѕн TV.

Hollingsworth, you must have problems similar to Centroamerica. You don't have any idea what movie Green Scapular was watching. And as for those who live in St. Mary's, Kansas, you may be interested in knowing that those who live there have not moved there to get a better job or be near better stores and hospitals. They have moved there for the FAITH alone. Usually to live there they have left family, friends and a much more lucrative job, not to mention more scenic environs. They have done it for God. It allows them to raise their children among other traditional Catholics. And I guess that having 10 to 20 children does qualify as "lobotomized" to the world, but I don't expect that attitude on a Catholic forum. You do not know what you are talking about so perhaps you should think before you write.

You may be interested in knowing that many who live in St. Mary's are there because Bishop Williamson sent them in that direction for the good of their families.  :geezer: