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Archbishop Vigano to Traditional Catholics Stay and Fight:
« on: September 15, 2020, 06:56:35 PM »
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  • Archbishop Vigano to Traditional Catholics Stay and Fight:

    http://www.theeponymousflower.com/2020/09/abp-vigano-to-catholic-traditionalists.html

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano to Traditional Catholics Stay and Fight:
    « Reply #1 on: September 15, 2020, 07:21:04 PM »
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  • As one of the commentators pointed out, it's quite a confusing article. The author(not Vigano) simultaneously tells the reader to stay in their parish while also praising and defending the SSPX. But SSPX churches are not parochial. So does the author condemn abandoning the parish church for the SSPX or not?


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    Re: Archbishop Vigano to Traditional Catholics Stay and Fight:
    « Reply #2 on: September 15, 2020, 08:10:08 PM »
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  • As one of the commentators pointed out, it's quite a confusing article. The author(not Vigano) simultaneously tells the reader to stay in their parish while also praising and defending the SSPX. But SSPX churches are not parochial. So does the author condemn abandoning the parish church for the SSPX or not?
    That is confusing.  Now, its possible that he sees the regular SSPX as being more legitimate than some of the "more fringe" groups like SSPX MC, SSPV, CMRI, or independents that have no recognition from Rome at all. Now he didn't say this, and I'm only guessing, and he could've clarified if that's what he meant.

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano to Traditional Catholics Stay and Fight:
    « Reply #3 on: September 15, 2020, 08:11:14 PM »
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  • Like I understand and respect why one might attend an independent, SSPV, (etc.) chapel for all sorts of reasons.  But Rome has *specifically* said that people are allowed to attend the SSPX.  like they were asked about it in the 1990s, and they said in the strict sense you could go, and that it would fulfill your sunday obligation.  So its easy to imagine why someone could see that situation as canonically preferable, agree or not.

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano to Traditional Catholics Stay and Fight:
    « Reply #4 on: September 15, 2020, 09:16:32 PM »
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  • I found nothing confusing about it at all:

    He is condemning the sedevacantist urge to leave the Catholic Church.

    He believes they are schismatics, while the SSPX and Resistance (and various independents) remain Catholic fighters.

    Don't shoot the messenger, but I thought this was pretty clear.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-


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    Re: Archbishop Vigano to Traditional Catholics Stay and Fight:
    « Reply #5 on: September 16, 2020, 06:40:00 AM »
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  • I found nothing confusing about it at all:

    He is condemning the sedevacantist urge to leave the Catholic Church.

    He believes they are schismatics, while the SSPX and Resistance (and various independents) remain Catholic fighters.

    Don't shoot the messenger, but I thought this was pretty clear.
    That's what Vigano said. The writer said to stay at your parish church. 

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano to Traditional Catholics Stay and Fight:
    « Reply #6 on: September 17, 2020, 02:33:53 AM »
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  • If there is any confusion here, it is because of the misleading commentary by David Martin, the author of the linked article. Martin, who is obviously no Trad but instead a sort of conservative conciliarist, puts words into ++Viganò's mouth and spins them into something that accords with Martin's own opinions but is alien to the archbishop's plain meaning and intent. Those with a genuine interest in what ++Viganò thinks should read his reply to Kokx's questions and pay Martin no heed whatsoever.

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano to Traditional Catholics Stay and Fight:
    « Reply #7 on: September 17, 2020, 03:12:13 AM »
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  • I'm not confused at all, but David Martin seems to be.

    +Vigano is saying, "Don't leave the Church," meaning "Don't stop practicing [traditional] Catholicism just because others, including most priests, have hijacked the Faith."  In which part that was quoted did Vigano say, "Do not leave your parish"?  

    A parish is a location.  I wish people would stop being glued to specific locations.  Be glued to the True Faith, the True Mass, and to those leaders who know the difference between the latter and New Church. If those happen to characterize your parish, then your parish is a safe place to stay as long as it continues not to waiver in those respects.  Those locations could be an apostolate or an independent chapel.  I didn't read that +Vigano said, "Do not go to an independent chapel."  Did I read it too quickly?


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    Re: Archbishop Vigano to Traditional Catholics Stay and Fight:
    « Reply #8 on: September 17, 2020, 12:50:04 PM »
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  • This sounds familiar to the story of the Acadians of the 1600's who lived in Novas Scotia.  The British come to Novas Scotia and tell the people, King George is now over your area.  We will not hurt you.  Don't leave. Just take care of us and we will let you continue with your rituals. 

    While that all took place, ships were being built to take care of these papists. It took 50 years, but the ships came.  The men were in the fields the women and children were rounded up put on the ships with warm blankets with small pox. The Catholics were dropped off along the Atlantic coast just left to rot.

    Now, how is this like Vigano saying stay and fight. I say Bologna!  Who would in their right mind listen to stay in the New Order councilor church?  Our Lady said Rome would lose it's faith. Well, that is a done deal.  Who would follow the New Order who stands by the Heretical Mess, and tells you to stay and fight for it?!

    Our Lady stands on the Right hand side of Her Son.  There can not be but only One True Deposit of Faith, Mass.

    So, why do you stay? Because "they want your money and to continue indoctrination".  Fight for who or what!?

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano to Traditional Catholics Stay and Fight:
    « Reply #9 on: September 17, 2020, 03:24:45 PM »
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  • An another Great Article:

    Vigano: "Francis Did Not React In The Slightest",


    https://www.gloria.tv/post/HrykVJbibhAQ1dhZdTiE2wmcG


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    Re: Archbishop Vigano to Traditional Catholics Stay and Fight:
    « Reply #10 on: September 17, 2020, 03:30:55 PM »
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  • This sounds familiar to the story of the Acadians of the 1600's who lived in Novas Scotia.  The British come to Novas Scotia and tell the people, King George is now over your area.  We will not hurt you.  Don't leave. Just take care of us and we will let you continue with your rituals.

    While that all took place, ships were being built to take care of these papists. It took 50 years, but the ships came.  The men were in the fields the women and children were rounded up put on the ships with warm blankets with small pox. The Catholics were dropped off along the Atlantic coast just left to rot.

    Now, how is this like Vigano saying stay and fight. I say Bologna!  Who would in their right mind listen to stay in the New Order councilor church?  Our Lady said Rome would lose it's faith. Well, that is a done deal.  Who would follow the New Order who stands by the Heretical Mess, and tells you to stay and fight for it?!

    Our Lady stands on the Right hand side of Her Son.  There can not be but only One True Deposit of Faith, Mass.

    So, why do you stay? Because "they want your money and to continue indoctrination".  Fight for who or what!?
    Why are you trying to get Catholics to support the conciliar church?
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-


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    Re: Archbishop Vigano to Traditional Catholics Stay and Fight:
    « Reply #11 on: September 17, 2020, 05:35:09 PM »
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  • Well there is less and less for the NO trad to stay for anyway. It seems that the Ecclesia Dei communities are no longer on solid ground and will be returned to indult status at the whim of the local Bishop; I hear as early as October.

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano to Traditional Catholics Stay and Fight:
    « Reply #12 on: September 17, 2020, 05:48:15 PM »
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  • I don't support the councilor church, Viagano does.

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano to Traditional Catholics Stay and Fight:
    « Reply #13 on: September 17, 2020, 09:24:50 PM »
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  • I don't support the councilor church, Viagano does.
    You are obviously a Jewish troll, angling to suck all trads into conciliarism.  Please quit advocating the new Mass and championing Vatican II here.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano to Traditional Catholics Stay and Fight:
    « Reply #14 on: September 17, 2020, 09:59:27 PM »
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  • Why are you trying to get Catholics to support the conciliar church?
    :confused:
    I believe in the Apostolic Catholic Church. I reject and denounce the malfeasant or “dysfunctional papal or episcopal Newchurch.” - Father Paul Trinchard


     

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