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Online DecemRationis

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Re: Archbishop Viganò to Sandro Magister: "We should forget Vatican II"
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2020, 09:28:10 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 07, 2020, 09:23:32 AM
This is actually a very promising development.

You see, most sedevacantists AGREE with the objections of Sandro Magister.  If you take Magister's MAJOR and combine it with +Vigano's MINOR, you get ... sedevacantism (or some variant thereof).

MAJOR:  you have to accept a legitimate papally-approved Ecuмenical Council (from Magister)
MINOR: Vatican II was bad and unacceptable (+Vigano)
CONCLUSION:  Vatican II was not a legitimate papally-approved Ecuмenical Council

+Vigano really talked around Magister's objection by simply reasserting his Minor.  He appears to be resisting the push towards sedevacantism.
Precise and accurate summary.  
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Re: Archbishop Viganò to Sandro Magister: "We should forget Vatican II"
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2020, 09:52:15 AM »
Forget it?

That sounds like forgetting about the fact that your wife had an affair with another man, so you can continue the public pretense you are "happily married".

Or forgetting to warn the next parish where you move a pedophile priest to, that he has a predilection for 8-12 year old boys.  12 months later he is heading up the summer camp.

Is the Church indefectible and protected from error in its teachings or not?  Forgetting the bad councils does not suggest it is.

I'd like the paradox last sixty years explained, not forgotten about and swept under the rug.  Write down a complete history, expose the corruption entirely and let the chips fall where they may.

Saying, "let's just forget it" honestly makes me wonder what has been forgotten about in the past 2000 years.
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Re: Archbishop Viganò to Sandro Magister: "We should forget Vatican II"
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2020, 09:58:49 AM »
when I was about 20 years old in 1966, I had to attend a mandatory study of the docuмents of Vatican 2.
The leader of the class started out that we should forget all those Religious Brothers, Nuns, and Priests
said during your Bible, Catechism  and Religion Classes.  We are starting all over again.
Inferring that Vatican 2 is a new religion that eventually replace the Catholic Church.
Finally after 54 years of waiting I whole Heartily agree with Archbishop Vigano who is about the same age
as I am.  
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Re: Archbishop Viganò to Sandro Magister: "We should forget Vatican II"
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2020, 10:13:48 AM »
Quote from: Tallinn Trad on July 07, 2020, 09:52:15 AM
Forget it?

That sounds like forgetting about the fact that your wife had an affair with another man, so you can continue the public pretense you are "happily married".

Or forgetting to warn the next parish where you move a pedophile priest to, that he has a predilection for 8-12 year old boys.  12 months later he is heading up the summer camp.

Is the Church indefectible and protected from error in its teachings or not?  Forgetting the bad councils does not suggest it is.

I'd like the paradox last sixty years explained, not forgotten about and swept under the rug.  Write down a complete history, expose the corruption entirely and let the chips fall where they may.

Saying, "let's just forget it" honestly makes me wonder what has been forgotten about in the past 2000 years.
Yes. "Forget it" is very bad theology (talk about a euphemism!), and makes a mockery of what the Church has said about herself and her indefectibility. If she could be wrong about that . . . 

This is why I think we are in the endgame. If there were a restoration along the lines of Schneider's (or Vigano's right now - but I think he's not done yet) "throw it out" and "forget it," why would anyone yield obedience to the Magisterium and trust it anymore? Hey, those guys (the restorers) could be in error themselves, and perhaps they'll be reversed down the road yet again. And on and on. 

Perhaps a last, true pope could come along and address the issue squarely in terms of the indefectibility of the Church, identify the usurpation and the square it up with the prophecies of Scripture and the anomaly and strangeness of the eclipse (and surface contradiction with the Church's indefectibility) and and say something like, "we've lived through the Great Apostasy and the NT Church's exile in Babylon, and Our Lord's return is imminent."

As Struthio says, we've apparently reached the "consummation of the age." And it's the last age. God have mercy. 
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Re: Archbishop Viganò to Sandro Magister: "We should forget Vatican II"
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2020, 06:56:21 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 07, 2020, 09:20:26 AM
Not at all.  He refers to him elsewhere as "the Emeritus".  It's no different than when people interview a former President and call him "Mr. President" out of respect.  And the entire criticism of +Vigano was that he's repudiating Benedict's "hermeneutic of continuity".  He sticks to his guns and cites pre-Benedict Ratzinger's comments agreeing that Vatican II was a revolution and not a continuity.
Then at the very least he still thinks Benedict was a valid pope despite his criticism of his "hermeneutic of continuity".  I do hope you are correct that this latest communique is hopeful.  I am nowhere near as hopeful.  
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