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Just posted over at the Facebook page of the Regina Martyrum House, Broadstairs, Kent, U.K. where Bishop Williamson stays.


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Any idea what it says?

Vigano obviously knew enough about Williamson to know he speaks/reads Italian and to have his mailing address.

Also: What’s the title of the book (is it in English or Italian)?
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I’d try to translate except that I can’t read the handwriting to make out the characters.

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At any rate, this being uploaded onto Broadstairs’ page would further evince that Vigano has been in contact with the Resistance.

Sure would like to know what it says though.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that +Vigano and +W are in communication. They are on the same page in many respects, which is a good thing. 
"It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

~St. Robert Bellarmine
De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that +Vigano and +W are in communication. They are on the same page in many respects, which is a good thing.

I know for a fact that they are, as I have it in an email from +BW.  No idea as to the frequency or subject matter.

Veering off a bit here, but I wonder if Vigano is familiar with the writings of Fr. Roger-Thomas Calmel, O.P.?  I’d give odds BW has suggested them to Vigano, if the latter asked for any reading material.
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I'm not surprised to hear that. +Vigano seems pretty hard core. I've heard of many so-called "good guys" in the Novus Ordo over the years -- bishops that "conservative" Catholics get all excited about.

But I've never heard any of them sound like a Bp. Williamson sermon...

With +Vigano, I have to wonder if he's going to join the Traditional movement. He is that awake and aware.
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With +Vigano, I have to wonder if he's going to join the Traditional movement. He is that awake and aware.

As far as I'm concerned, he already did (several months ago).

I can't imagine what else would be left for him to do.
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Viganò starts with his Coat of arms motto (I know whom I have believed). From the words I manage to decipher, it seems to me, that maybe Viganò is hoping that, given his series of interventions, he may merit Holy Mass being said for him by Williamson.
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Viganò starts with his Coat of arms motto (I know whom I have believed). From the words I manage to decipher, it seems to me, that maybe Viganò is hoping that, given his series of interventions, he may merit Holy Mass being said for him by Williamson.

Interesting.

I have little doubt that +Williamson has said Masses for +Vigano.  

+Williamson generally does not accept Mass stipends, in order that he can be free to say Masses for immediate and/or emergency intentions.
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  • This is what I was able to decipher-

    I hope this daily priestly collection of my "intervention covers" is agreeable (or deserving)
    Remember me in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

    I can't say for sure, but I think it's close.

    Is this a compilation book of Archbishop Vigano's letters?


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  • This is what I was able to decipher-

    I hope this daily priestly collection of my "intervention covers" is agreeable (or deserving)
    Remember me in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

    I can't say for sure, but I think it's close.

    Is this a compilation book of Archbishop Vigano's letters?

    Yes, although a bit dated/incomplete (i.e., the inherent problem of publishing a collection while the author is still writing frequently).

    My own +Vigano Opera Omnia is current and complete as of today, but I can't get in touch with +Vigano to ask permission to publish it (or even hand to him as a gift for someone else to publish).

    My version is also raw (I.e., McCall's version, from the OP above, contains extensive commentary).  To me, +Vigano speaks so clearly as to require no commentary. I also did not wish to color the Archbishop's words by overlaying them with my own commentary.

    But like I said, its a dead project, if I can't get in touch with +Vigano.
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  • As far as I'm concerned, he already did (several months ago).

    I can't imagine what else would be left for him to do.

    Make a final break with the Conciliar Church, and start saying Mass at one of Bp. Zendejas' chapels?
    (I'm half joking here)

    But other than that, he hasn't minced words and he sounds Trad rather than just conservative. He might as well "name the J**" if he hasn't already.
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  • Make a final break with the Conciliar Church, and start saying Mass at one of Bp. Zendejas' chapels?
    (I'm half joking here)

    It would be a good to have +Vigano to say Mass at one of +Zendejas' chapels, since +Z's chapels are not on the radar of anyone but Resistance trads. He could still keep a low profile, liturgically-speaking, that is.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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  • Make a final break with the Conciliar Church, and start saying Mass at one of Bp. Zendejas' chapels?
    (I'm half joking here)

    But other than that, he hasn't minced words and he sounds Trad rather than just conservative. He might as well "name the J**" if he hasn't already.

    What does a "final break" look like?

    He rejected the conciliar church (calling it a counterfeit church) a year ago already; he calls for the abolition of the new Mass and the entire Second Vatican Council; he says the principles of the NOM are already evident in the Pius XII revised Holy Week rites.

    Now he's referencing the "тαℓмυdic origins" of the CÖVÌD scandal.

    The only differences I can see between himself and +Lefebvre (or +Williamson) is that he has not yet been "excommunicated" by a pope whome he refers to simply as "the one sitting in Rome."

    True, he has not founded a religoius congregation or gone on Mass circuits for the Resistance, but I suspect he has a wider audience in mind (which is awesome, since he has not watered down his rhetoric/doctrine when speaking to them!).

    Nevertheless, how does one in hiding take practical steps of that sort?

    Some say he needs to come out of hiding, but I wonder if him getting knocked off all the sooner because of that helps, or hurts, souls (i.e., who would soon be bereft of his voice, which is so needed today)?

    Others can and do disagree, but for my part, so long as he continues to do what he has been doing (i.e., teaching truth and contradicting error!), it suffices for me.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."