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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2021, 07:13:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 22, 2021, 08:05:51 PM
    Yes, but I hope not.

    But wouldn't this be in line with that "fantasy" you posted?  In the normal process, if a Pope were to be a heretic, SOMEBODY has to start the ball rolling, as it were, with the initial accusation of heresy.  Before there can be universal recognition of heresy, there needs to be some individual recognition.

    I feel that there's growing awareness among Catholics that Bergoglio is not Catholic, but everyone's hesitant to be the first to make the public charge.  If someone like a +Vigano would make the initial charge, probably 90% of all true Catholics would be emboldened to come out of the closet with their own thoughts along those lines:  "Yes, you know what, he's right; I suspected this all along."

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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #31 on: July 23, 2021, 07:18:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 23, 2021, 06:23:08 AM
    I don’t know about present tense, but they have in the past.

    I wonder if he's a bit hesitant given that +Williamson has become politically radioactive on account of his h0Ɩ0h0αx comments.
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #32 on: July 23, 2021, 07:36:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 23, 2021, 07:13:01 AM
    But wouldn't this be in line with that "fantasy" you posted?  In the normal process, if a Pope were to be a heretic, SOMEBODY has to start the ball rolling, as it were, with the initial accusation of heresy.  Before there can be universal recognition of heresy, there needs to be some individual recognition.

    I feel that there's growing awareness among Catholics that Bergoglio is not Catholic, but everyone's hesitant to be the first to make the public charge.  If someone like a +Vigano would make the initial charge, probably 90% of all true Catholics would be emboldened to come out of the closet with their own thoughts along those lines:  "Yes, you know what, he's right; I suspected this all along."

    Well, at least as regards the Fantasy, Burke (or any Cardinal currently exercising jurisdiction) first announces the fact of Bergoglio’s heresy, and then that Christ has deposed him.

    At this point, Vigano and others support him.

    This in turn would remove any claim to UPA, and consequently any claim to dogmatic fact.

    And then the Fantasy moves on from there.

    It brings the Church back to the GWS and warring “popes,” but it also represents the pangs of a recovering Church.
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #33 on: July 23, 2021, 07:47:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 23, 2021, 07:13:01 AM
    But wouldn't this be in line with that "fantasy" you posted?  In the normal process, if a Pope were to be a heretic, SOMEBODY has to start the ball rolling, as it were, with the initial accusation of heresy.  Before there can be universal recognition of heresy, there needs to be some individual recognition.

    I feel that there's growing awareness among Catholics that Bergoglio is not Catholic, but everyone's hesitant to be the first to make the public charge.  If someone like a +Vigano would make the initial charge, probably 90% of all true Catholics would be emboldened to come out of the closet with their own thoughts along those lines:  "Yes, you know what, he's right; I suspected this all along."
    That's sort of where I'm at.  If there was some process like this with the end goal of electing a new pope I'd almost certainly get behind it.  I think the previous generation of sedes basically just declared the see vacant but refused to do anything about it. 
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #34 on: July 23, 2021, 12:03:45 PM »
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    I see. But, given the channels he uses to spread his messages, he is leaning more towards Indult / Opus Dei.

    Isn't it possible he's concentrating on them, because he wants to convert/wake them up from the V2 slumber?  He knows that Trads agree with him, and will find his messages.
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #35 on: July 24, 2021, 12:07:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 23, 2021, 07:09:21 AM
    Yeah, I find it a bit strange that +Vigano would directly e-mail Taylor Marshall.  Something about that seems off to me.  Even if it was also sent to a couple others, I don't believe he's on some short distribution list from +Vigano.  To me this smells of a chain letter of dubious ultimate origin.
    Hmmm.  Still no "response" from Vigano.  
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