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Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2021, 07:52:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 22, 2021, 06:54:11 PM
    The message was spread in 5 other places before Marshall got ahold of it, FWIW.

    I think +Vigano broadcast it a bit.

    I didn't post it because it isn't really +Vigano himself, but an endorsement of another's article.

    Do you agree with Ladislaus who sees a chance Viganò might "declare sede vacante"?
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #16 on: July 22, 2021, 08:05:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on July 22, 2021, 07:52:47 PM
    Do you agree with Ladislaus who sees a chance Viganò might "declare sede vacante"?

    Yes, but I hope not.
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #17 on: July 22, 2021, 08:08:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 22, 2021, 08:05:51 PM
    Yes, but I hope not.

    The other 5 places beside Marshall you mentioned above, any of them closer to sede than Marshall?
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #18 on: July 22, 2021, 08:12:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on July 22, 2021, 08:08:54 PM
    The other 5 places beside Marshall you mentioned above, any of them closer to sede than Marshall?
    Unsure:

    It’s been at The Remnant, but also at Valli’s site (he primarily refers to Montini/Bergoglio as well), and a google search of other sites.

    Update: Here’s Valli’s site (Italian, so not sure what his theological orientation is):

    https://www.aldomariavalli.it/2021/07/21/lodio-contro-la-messa-di-sempre-e-la-questione-dellobbedienza/amp/
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #19 on: July 22, 2021, 08:31:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 22, 2021, 08:12:35 PM
    Unsure:

    It’s been at The Remnant, but also at Valli’s site (he primarily refers to Montini/Bergoglio as well), and a google search of other sites.

    Update: Here’s Valli’s site (Italian, so not sure what his theological orientation is):

    https://www.aldomariavalli.it/2021/07/21/lodio-contro-la-messa-di-sempre-e-la-questione-dellobbedienza/amp/

    Valli is Vatican expert of a news channel of RAI (Radiotelevisione Italiana).

    Given the outlets of Viganò, he is leaning more towards Indult / Opus Dei. He said some keen things, but to me that doesn't seem enough to  allow for the idea that he might doubt his own consecration and consecrator.
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #20 on: July 22, 2021, 08:36:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on July 22, 2021, 08:31:12 PM
    Valli is Vatican expert of a news channel of RAI (Radiotelevisione Italiana).

    Given the outlets of Viganò, he is leaning more towards Indult / Opus Dei. He said some keen things, but to me that doesn't seem enough to  allow for the idea that he might doubt his own consecration and consecrator.

    He is leaning in exactly the opposite direction of indult/Opus Dei.

    He rejects the entire conciliar church and the Second Vatican Council (as well as th new Mass).

    Those positions are incompatible with the orientation you attribute to him.
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #21 on: July 22, 2021, 08:39:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 22, 2021, 08:36:32 PM
    He is leaning in exactly the opposite direction of indult/Opus Dei.

    He rejects the entire conciliar church and the Second Vatican Council (as well as th new Mass).

    Those positions are incompatible with the orientation you attribute to him.

    I see. But, given the channels he uses to spread his messages, he is leaning more towards Indult / Opus Dei.
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #22 on: July 22, 2021, 08:42:14 PM »
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    • Do you think Archbishop Vigano reads Cathinfo?
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #23 on: July 22, 2021, 08:49:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on July 22, 2021, 08:42:14 PM
    Do you think Archbishop Vigano reads Cathinfo?

    No, I guess he doesn't.
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #24 on: July 22, 2021, 08:54:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on July 22, 2021, 08:39:21 PM
    I see. But, given the channels he uses to spread his messages, he is leaning more towards Indult / Opus Dei.

    Sure, but what other channels does he have as options?

    Not sure he has heard of any of the Resistance or sede ones, and the SSPX is too timid to publish anything he writes.

    He’s familiar with +Williamson’s site, but that’s for another bishop.

    That’s why I don’t read too much into the sites which spread his messages (instead, I’m amazed they will, since they certainly wouldn’t spread Resistance writings, yet Vigano is basically endorsing Resistance positions right down the line).
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #25 on: July 23, 2021, 05:14:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on July 22, 2021, 08:39:21 PM
    I see. But, given the channels he uses to spread his messages, he is leaning more towards Indult / Opus Dei.
    Indult? Well yeah!
    Opus Judei? Nah! They are dead against tradition.
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #26 on: July 23, 2021, 06:19:33 AM »
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    • I thought I read here somewhere that Vigano was communicating with Bishop Williamson.
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #27 on: July 23, 2021, 06:23:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on July 23, 2021, 06:19:33 AM
    I thought I read here somewhere that Vigano was communicating with Bishop Williamson.

    I don’t know about present tense, but they have in the past.
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #28 on: July 23, 2021, 06:29:38 AM »
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    • I find it strange that this hasn't been posted here:

    https://www.marcotosatti.com/?s=vigano

    He always has Vigano's latest writings.  And yet these other outlets has this one.  Are we sure this little ditty is really coming from Vigano?
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò responds to recent Motu Proprio endorsing Viglione's Article
    « Reply #29 on: July 23, 2021, 07:09:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on July 23, 2021, 06:29:38 AM
    I find it strange that this hasn't been posted here:

    https://www.marcotosatti.com/?s=vigano

    He always has Vigano's latest writings.  And yet these other outlets has this one.  Are we sure this little ditty is really coming from Vigano?

    Yeah, I find it a bit strange that +Vigano would directly e-mail Taylor Marshall.  Something about that seems off to me.  Even if it was also sent to a couple others, I don't believe he's on some short distribution list from +Vigano.  To me this smells of a chain letter of dubious ultimate origin.
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