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Author Topic: Archbishop Viganò: 'Heretical Propositions in Vatican II should be Condemned'  (Read 4849 times)

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Offline Meg

Just my opinion, but it might help if +Vigano mentioned, in a positive manner, the work of Archbishop Lefebvre (and also maybe Bp. de Castro Mayer).

I don't think that Opus Dei is a fan of +ABL or the SSPX (hence Michael Voris' animosity for +ABL/SSPX), and so if +Vigano mentions +ABL, then it might mean that he has no affiliation with Opus Dei.

Online Ladislaus

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Why do you always get upset? Fact is, Viganò is said to have been in hiding for quite some time. One might even ask, whether all these blog-posts really are his (or of his ghostwriters in his interest), or whether he is alive at all.

That might be a legitimate line of inquiry.  But Fr. Jenkins said that he knew the man releasing the letters and appears confident that the man is trustworthy.


Online Ladislaus

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To all the conspiracy theorists, let me ask, to what end would the conspirators make these moves?  What good will be accomplished by declaring that V2 must be rejected as filled with error/heresy, that the NOM must be rejected as Protestantized/paganized, etc.?  To what end would they reject religious indifferentism and promote EENS?  Typically the conspiracy is to spin these V2 docuмents/reforms as mostly Catholic and just needing some hermeneutic of continuity.  For the life of me I cannot envision what possible goal would the conspirators have in releasing something like this.  That is why I have no doubt that these letters are genuine.  None of you has explained what the goal of said conspiracy would be, the cui bono of the entire thing.

Unless you could explain what the conspiractors hope to accomplish, you sound like you just have a petty disdain for Vigano because he hasn't been a lifelong Traditional Catholic.

You seriously remind me of the guys in Our Lord's parable who worked all day but then resented the late-comer who got paid the same.

Ladislaus, whether Viganò or ViganQ, he has expressed his concern that this Covid Hoax is against Trump and corresponding forces in other countries. Trump needed and needs Catholics to be (re)elected, and Viganò has declared himself to be a campaign worker. You can read that even on modernist diocesan websites, like e.g. domradio.de ("Archdiocese" of Cologne). Not much of a "Conspiracy Theory".

Modernists do not believe anything but that it is a good idea to lead and use simple folks for their purpose. Just like all sorts of Communists. Ratzinger was too much of a peacock, he thought that "his" Vat II Parteitag is the Gold standard for the church-of-man of the new pentecost. "C'mon, let's do as if God existed" had been his sermon for decades. Bergoglio laughs about such a "Weihnachtsmann" and the rest of modernist Rome does so too. Viganò said that Ratzinger's stroke of genius hemeneutic of continuity is drivel.

Why not dump V2? It's served it's purpose in the 1960s and has been outdated for decades. In 2020, dumping V2 does what Ratzinger really wanted and wants. That's the message of Viganò.

As you can see everywhere including trad.inc, all Catholics/"Catholics" who aren't liberals/communists approve Viganò. That's what Trump needs.

I think it's ludicrous to imagine that Viganò is the saviour of the sedeplenist/sedevacantist remnant. I can't imagine Viganò joining with Tomás de Aquino Ferreira da Costa or Cekada or ... Trump recommends him. He's much too much important. The whole of trad-land probably is too much a joke in his eyes, to even think about whether they all might be vagantes or not.

Meg has mentioned a good criterion: He would have to comment on de Castro Mayer, Lefebvre, Thục, etc. to make clear what game he's playing.


Offline Meg

I still support the work of +Vigano. It's just may be a good idea to keep an eye on the Opus Dei cult affiliations. But it's not a huge deal at this point, for me anyway.