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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Archbishop Viganò: 'Heretical Propositions in Vatican II should be Condemned'
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2020, 08:21:55 PM »
I defy anyone to cite a New Church prelate who has declared Vatican II to be a "devil's council" which must be blotted out from Catholic history.  Name one.
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Offline Struthio

Re: Archbishop Viganò: 'Heretical Propositions in Vatican II should be Condemned'
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2020, 08:33:06 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 18, 2020, 11:11:37 AM
Now we hope that he'll start grappling with the question of how a Council approved by a legitimate pope could be a "devilish council".


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Quote from: Ladislaus on June 11, 2020, 06:02:35 PM
Quote from: DecemRationis on June 11, 2020, 03:42:36 PM
Ok. I will wait for the day he grapples with the problem of a papally approved ecuмenical council stating heresy in an officially promulgated, Magisterial docuмent.

There's no grappling needed, since the proposition is heretical.


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Offline Meg

Re: Archbishop Viganò: 'Heretical Propositions in Vatican II should be Condemned'
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2020, 06:54:27 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 18, 2020, 08:20:50 PM
Well, he did denounce Assisi (JP2) but other than that he doesn't mention the others much.  So you consider him to be in the R&R camp if he considers B16 to be Pope?  That position has the same theological problems that R&R most commonly attack sedevacantism for (i.e. the problem with Universal Acceptance).  But I doubt he's a Benedict person.  As pointed out, he traces the problems DIRECTLY to Vatican II, and JP2 and B16 were both proponents of Vatican II.  That is why what he wrote is so ground-breaking.  Most of the conservative Novus Ordites single out Francis and never impugn Vatican II.

I don't consider Vigano to be in any camp. I realize that sedes and sedeprivationists like to put people in camps, but Vigano seems to defy fitting comfortably into any camp. Which is fine with me.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Archbishop Viganò: 'Heretical Propositions in Vatican II should be Condemned'
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2020, 07:30:55 AM »
My conversations with Resistance priests and bishops in the last week or so reveals a like-mindedness regarding the amazing "conversion-in-progress" of Vigano:

1) You have to go all the way back to Bishop Lazo to find a similar rejection of Vatican II by a conciliar prelate;

2) His conversion is inspiring, but not yet complete;

3) We should hope and pray he continues along the path he has started;

4) The enemies of Christ fear to have a new high ranking (albeit retired) churchman reject Vatican II: Lefebvre 2.0.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Archbishop Viganò: 'Heretical Propositions in Vatican II should be Condemned'
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2020, 08:11:55 AM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 19, 2020, 07:30:55 AM
My conversations with Resistance priests and bishops in the last week or so reveals a like-mindedness regarding the amazing "conversion-in-progress" of Vigano:

1) You have to go all the way back to Bishop Lazo to find a similar rejection of Vatican II by a conciliar prelate;

2) His conversion is inspiring, but not yet complete;

3) We should hope and pray he continues along the path he has started;

4) The enemies of Christ fear to have a new high ranking (albeit retired) churchman reject Vatican II: Lefebvre 2.0.

Yes, these are all my sentiments exactly.  I suspect +Vigano goes even farther than Lazo in rejecting V2, calling it a devil's council and saying it should be entirely blotted out of existence (rather than reformed/revised/reinterpreted).  Plus +Vigano is much more high profile than was +Lazo, having made a name for himself exposing the pederasty coverup and then writing the letter to Trump.  He could truly damage the Conciliar sect if he completes his conversion and then decides to take action.
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