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« on: August 04, 2013, 12:21:52 AM »
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  • Pope Francis has appointed Archbishop Guido Pozzo as secretary of Ecclesia Dei, the curial office charged with reconciling the ultra-traditionalist Society of St. Pius X.

    Archbishop Pozzo has already served as secretary of the Pontifical Commission, from July 8, 2009 to Nov. 3, 2012.

    He had been removed from the commission to become head of the Office of Papal Charities, where he has served until his re-appointment as Ecclesia Dei secretary Aug. 3.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/archbishop-pozzo-returns-to-ecclesia-dei-office/

    Is anybody familiar enough with him to have formed an opinion?

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    « Reply #1 on: August 04, 2013, 02:58:26 AM »
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  • Today the Pope appointed the Titular Archbishop of Bagnoregio, Mgr. Guido Pozzo, as Secretary of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei”. Until today Mgr. Pozzo Almoner of His Holiness. After less than a year the prelate from the northern Italian city of Trieste returns to the Pontifical Commission but this time with the added title of Archbishop. Why did Francis decide to bring Mgr. Pozzo back to the Commission that handles the Vatican’s relations with the traditionalists and the Church’s dialogue with the Society of St. Pius X, whose 3 cardinals seemed to have given up on the possibility of further dialogue in recent months?

    The decision could be rooted in his willingness to make one final attempt to resuscitate relations with the Lefebvrians, before closing the door to dialogue definitively. Talks with the Lefebvrians have in fact ground to a halt in the last year, after Mgr. Pozzo left the Commission (chaired by the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Gerhard Müller and led by Vice-President Archbishop Augustin Di Noia). A part from the brief time he spent as the Pope’s Almoner, Mgr. Pozzo served the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for a long time.
     

    Meanwhile, in the traditionalist world, there is a debate going on over Francis’ decision – after consultations with the Congregation for religious - to appoint a commissioner to oversee the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. The dispute is over the fact that the friars will no longer be allowed to celebrate the liturgy according to the Old Rite without prior authorisation from the commissioner. Many have spoken out against this saying the Pope’s decision ignores the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, with which Benedict XVI liberalised the pre-Vatican II traditional form of the Mass, allowing it to be celebrated without the bishop’s prior approval. This is not in fact the case.

    The problem within the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate is that the order’s superiors had extended the use of the Old Rite by issuing an internal circular, without voting on it first in their general chapter. Article 3 of the Summorum Pontificum states: "Communities of Institutes of consecrated life and of Societies of apostolic life, of either pontifical or diocesan right, wishing to celebrate Mass in accordance with the edition of the Roman Missal promulgated in 1962, for conventual or "community" celebration in their oratories, may do so. If an individual community or an entire Institute or Society wishes to undertake such celebrations often, habitually or permanently, the decision must be taken by the Superiors Major, in accordance with the law and following their own specific decrees and statues."
    It was the internal disagreements between the order’s members that led to Benedict XVI’s decision to order an apostolic visit. Pope Francis’ decree concludes the work started by his predecessor. The decision to order the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate to obtain authorisation before celebrating mass according to the Old Rite only applies to this institute and it was taken because of the problems and tensions witnessed within it.

    http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/lefebvriani-lefebvrians-lefebvrianos-26964/

    We will see what happens but I am not going to hold my breath.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 04, 2013, 03:32:53 AM »
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  • the Church’s dialogue with the Society of St. Pius X, whose 3 cardinals seemed to have given up on the possibility of further dialogue in recent months?  :confused1:

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    « Reply #3 on: August 04, 2013, 05:16:17 AM »
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  • One last chance, eh? Yeah, we knew it wasn't dead.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #4 on: August 04, 2013, 06:48:52 PM »
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    the Church’s dialogue with the Society of St. Pius X, whose 3 cardinals seemed to have given up on the possibility of further dialogue in recent months?  :confused1:


    "whose 3 cardinals" refers back to the Pontifical Commission "Ecclesia Dei", not to the Society of St. Pius X  (it was kind of a long-winded sentence)


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    « Reply #5 on: August 04, 2013, 06:54:18 PM »
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    Ambiguous language!  Poor grammar! Hmmmmmmmm!_------------ :scratchchin:
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #6 on: August 05, 2013, 10:37:31 PM »
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    Today the Pope appointed the Titular Archbishop of Bagnoregio, Mgr. Guido Pozzo, as Secretary of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei”. Until today Mgr. Pozzo Almoner of His Holiness. After less than a year the prelate from the northern Italian city of Trieste returns to the Pontifical Commission but this time with the added title of Archbishop. Why did Francis decide to bring Mgr. Pozzo back to the Commission that handles the Vatican’s relations with the traditionalists and the Church’s dialogue with the Society of St. Pius X, whose 3 cardinals seemed to have given up on the possibility of further dialogue in recent months?

    The decision could be rooted in his willingness to make one final attempt to resuscitate relations with the Lefebvrians, before closing the door to dialogue definitively. Talks with the Lefebvrians have in fact ground to a halt in the last year, after Mgr. Pozzo left the Commission (chaired by the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Gerhard Müller and led by Vice-President Archbishop Augustin Di Noia). A part from the brief time he spent as the Pope’s Almoner, Mgr. Pozzo served the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for a long time.
     

    Meanwhile, in the traditionalist world, there is a debate going on over Francis’ decision – after consultations with the Congregation for religious - to appoint a commissioner to oversee the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. The dispute is over the fact that the friars will no longer be allowed to celebrate the liturgy according to the Old Rite without prior authorisation from the commissioner. Many have spoken out against this saying the Pope’s decision ignores the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, with which Benedict XVI liberalised the pre-Vatican II traditional form of the Mass, allowing it to be celebrated without the bishop’s prior approval. This is not in fact the case.

    The problem within the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate is that the order’s superiors had extended the use of the Old Rite by issuing an internal circular, without voting on it first in their general chapter. Article 3 of the Summorum Pontificum states: "Communities of Institutes of consecrated life and of Societies of apostolic life, of either pontifical or diocesan right, wishing to celebrate Mass in accordance with the edition of the Roman Missal promulgated in 1962, for conventual or "community" celebration in their oratories, may do so. If an individual community or an entire Institute or Society wishes to undertake such celebrations often, habitually or permanently, the decision must be taken by the Superiors Major, in accordance with the law and following their own specific decrees and statues."
    It was the internal disagreements between the order’s members that led to Benedict XVI’s decision to order an apostolic visit. Pope Francis’ decree concludes the work started by his predecessor. The decision to order the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate to obtain authorisation before celebrating mass according to the Old Rite only applies to this institute and it was taken because of the problems and tensions witnessed within it.

    http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/lefebvriani-lefebvrians-lefebvrianos-26964/

    We will see what happens but I am not going to hold my breath.



    Don't be surprised if Bishop  Fellay resumes his weekly visits to Rome. After all, he has Para.11 of the June 27 Declaration to wave to the Newromans....

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    « Reply #7 on: August 06, 2013, 12:40:57 AM »
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    Today the Pope appointed the Titular Archbishop of Bagnoregio, Mgr. Guido Pozzo, as Secretary of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei”. Until today Mgr. Pozzo Almoner of His Holiness. After less than a year the prelate from the northern Italian city of Trieste returns to the Pontifical Commission but this time with the added title of Archbishop. Why did Francis decide to bring Mgr. Pozzo back to the Commission that handles the Vatican’s relations with the traditionalists and the Church’s dialogue with the Society of St. Pius X, whose 3 cardinals seemed to have given up on the possibility of further dialogue in recent months?

    The decision could be rooted in his willingness to make one final attempt to resuscitate relations with the Lefebvrians, before closing the door to dialogue definitively. Talks with the Lefebvrians have in fact ground to a halt in the last year, after Mgr. Pozzo left the Commission (chaired by the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Gerhard Müller and led by Vice-President Archbishop Augustin Di Noia). A part from the brief time he spent as the Pope’s Almoner, Mgr. Pozzo served the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for a long time.
     

    Meanwhile, in the traditionalist world, there is a debate going on over Francis’ decision – after consultations with the Congregation for religious - to appoint a commissioner to oversee the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. The dispute is over the fact that the friars will no longer be allowed to celebrate the liturgy according to the Old Rite without prior authorisation from the commissioner. Many have spoken out against this saying the Pope’s decision ignores the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, with which Benedict XVI liberalised the pre-Vatican II traditional form of the Mass, allowing it to be celebrated without the bishop’s prior approval. This is not in fact the case.

    The problem within the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate is that the order’s superiors had extended the use of the Old Rite by issuing an internal circular, without voting on it first in their general chapter. Article 3 of the Summorum Pontificum states: "Communities of Institutes of consecrated life and of Societies of apostolic life, of either pontifical or diocesan right, wishing to celebrate Mass in accordance with the edition of the Roman Missal promulgated in 1962, for conventual or "community" celebration in their oratories, may do so. If an individual community or an entire Institute or Society wishes to undertake such celebrations often, habitually or permanently, the decision must be taken by the Superiors Major, in accordance with the law and following their own specific decrees and statues."
    It was the internal disagreements between the order’s members that led to Benedict XVI’s decision to order an apostolic visit. Pope Francis’ decree concludes the work started by his predecessor. The decision to order the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate to obtain authorisation before celebrating mass according to the Old Rite only applies to this institute and it was taken because of the problems and tensions witnessed within it.

    http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/lefebvriani-lefebvrians-lefebvrianos-26964/

    We will see what happens but I am not going to hold my breath.



    Don't be surprised if Bishop  Fellay resumes his weekly visits to Rome. After all, he has Para.11 of the June 27 Declaration to wave to the Newromans....

    Do you really think he will do more than just wave?


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    « Reply #8 on: August 06, 2013, 04:45:02 AM »
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    Today the Pope appointed the Titular Archbishop of Bagnoregio, Mgr. Guido Pozzo, as Secretary of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei”. Until today Mgr. Pozzo Almoner of His Holiness. After less than a year the prelate from the northern Italian city of Trieste returns to the Pontifical Commission but this time with the added title of Archbishop. Why did Francis decide to bring Mgr. Pozzo back to the Commission that handles the Vatican’s relations with the traditionalists and the Church’s dialogue with the Society of St. Pius X, whose 3 cardinals seemed to have given up on the possibility of further dialogue in recent months?

    The decision could be rooted in his willingness to make one final attempt to resuscitate relations with the Lefebvrians, before closing the door to dialogue definitively. Talks with the Lefebvrians have in fact ground to a halt in the last year, after Mgr. Pozzo left the Commission (chaired by the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Gerhard Müller and led by Vice-President Archbishop Augustin Di Noia). A part from the brief time he spent as the Pope’s Almoner, Mgr. Pozzo served the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for a long time.
     

    Meanwhile, in the traditionalist world, there is a debate going on over Francis’ decision – after consultations with the Congregation for religious - to appoint a commissioner to oversee the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. The dispute is over the fact that the friars will no longer be allowed to celebrate the liturgy according to the Old Rite without prior authorisation from the commissioner. Many have spoken out against this saying the Pope’s decision ignores the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, with which Benedict XVI liberalised the pre-Vatican II traditional form of the Mass, allowing it to be celebrated without the bishop’s prior approval. This is not in fact the case.

    The problem within the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate is that the order’s superiors had extended the use of the Old Rite by issuing an internal circular, without voting on it first in their general chapter. Article 3 of the Summorum Pontificum states: "Communities of Institutes of consecrated life and of Societies of apostolic life, of either pontifical or diocesan right, wishing to celebrate Mass in accordance with the edition of the Roman Missal promulgated in 1962, for conventual or "community" celebration in their oratories, may do so. If an individual community or an entire Institute or Society wishes to undertake such celebrations often, habitually or permanently, the decision must be taken by the Superiors Major, in accordance with the law and following their own specific decrees and statues."
    It was the internal disagreements between the order’s members that led to Benedict XVI’s decision to order an apostolic visit. Pope Francis’ decree concludes the work started by his predecessor. The decision to order the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate to obtain authorisation before celebrating mass according to the Old Rite only applies to this institute and it was taken because of the problems and tensions witnessed within it.

    http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/lefebvriani-lefebvrians-lefebvrianos-26964/

    We will see what happens but I am not going to hold my breath.



    Don't be surprised if Bishop  Fellay resumes his weekly visits to Rome. After all, he has Para.11 of the June 27 Declaration to wave to the Newromans....

    Do you really think he will do more than just wave?


    Poche - he will wave this June 27th document as it is co-signed by the other two bishops of his society. Moreover, I think he will do more than just wave. He made a commitment to Benedict-Ratzinger, when the latter announced his resignation as Pope, to see through this project of taking his SSPX into the post Vatican II Church structure.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 07, 2013, 10:01:53 AM »
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    Today the Pope appointed the Titular Archbishop of Bagnoregio, Mgr. Guido Pozzo, as Secretary of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei”. Until today Mgr. Pozzo Almoner of His Holiness. After less than a year the prelate from the northern Italian city of Trieste returns to the Pontifical Commission but this time with the added title of Archbishop. Why did Francis decide to bring Mgr. Pozzo back to the Commission that handles the Vatican’s relations with the traditionalists and the Church’s dialogue with the Society of St. Pius X, whose 3 cardinals seemed to have given up on the possibility of further dialogue in recent months?

    The decision could be rooted in his willingness to make one final attempt to resuscitate relations with the Lefebvrians, before closing the door to dialogue definitively. Talks with the Lefebvrians have in fact ground to a halt in the last year, after Mgr. Pozzo left the Commission (chaired by the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Gerhard Müller and led by Vice-President Archbishop Augustin Di Noia). A part from the brief time he spent as the Pope’s Almoner, Mgr. Pozzo served the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for a long time.
     

    Meanwhile, in the traditionalist world, there is a debate going on over Francis’ decision – after consultations with the Congregation for religious - to appoint a commissioner to oversee the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. The dispute is over the fact that the friars will no longer be allowed to celebrate the liturgy according to the Old Rite without prior authorisation from the commissioner. Many have spoken out against this saying the Pope’s decision ignores the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, with which Benedict XVI liberalised the pre-Vatican II traditional form of the Mass, allowing it to be celebrated without the bishop’s prior approval. This is not in fact the case.

    The problem within the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate is that the order’s superiors had extended the use of the Old Rite by issuing an internal circular, without voting on it first in their general chapter. Article 3 of the Summorum Pontificum states: "Communities of Institutes of consecrated life and of Societies of apostolic life, of either pontifical or diocesan right, wishing to celebrate Mass in accordance with the edition of the Roman Missal promulgated in 1962, for conventual or "community" celebration in their oratories, may do so. If an individual community or an entire Institute or Society wishes to undertake such celebrations often, habitually or permanently, the decision must be taken by the Superiors Major, in accordance with the law and following their own specific decrees and statues."
    It was the internal disagreements between the order’s members that led to Benedict XVI’s decision to order an apostolic visit. Pope Francis’ decree concludes the work started by his predecessor. The decision to order the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate to obtain authorisation before celebrating mass according to the Old Rite only applies to this institute and it was taken because of the problems and tensions witnessed within it.

    http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/lefebvriani-lefebvrians-lefebvrianos-26964/

    We will see what happens but I am not going to hold my breath.



    Don't be surprised if Bishop  Fellay resumes his weekly visits to Rome. After all, he has Para.11 of the June 27 Declaration to wave to the Newromans....

    Do you really think he will do more than just wave?


    Poche - he will wave this June 27th document as it is co-signed by the other two bishops of his society. Moreover, I think he will do more than just wave. He made a commitment to Benedict-Ratzinger, when the latter announced his resignation as Pope, to see through this project of taking his SSPX into the post Vatican II Church structure.

    Yes so do you think he will do much more than wave that piece of paper at them?
    Fellay and the other bishops have already stated their position. I don't think anything will come of it waving at each other and repeating what we already know.

     

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