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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Abp Marcel François Joseph Lefebvre -120 th Anniversary of Birth 2025 AD.
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2025, 06:21:45 PM »
So ... I find that attachment of yours quite interesting.  We were discussion the question of whether The Nine had incurred excommunication reserved to the Holy See for suing the Archbishop.  One "out" would be that it appears to require that a bishop have some title, "at least titular".  What do you see about this entry that appears contradicted by this certificate of consecration?

https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/blefebvre.html

Also of interest is that +Lefebvre was the last one to have held this Titular See.  I wonder why it remained vacant after him.  Did he in fact resign it at all or is this some historical revisionism by the Conciliars?

https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/diocese/d3s31.html

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Re: Archbishop Marcel François Marie Joseph Lefebvre + R.I.P.
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2025, 06:42:39 PM »
Interesting facts about Synnad, little town now called Suhut in West-Central Turkey (Asia Minor back then).  There's a musum there called "Ataturk's House", which served as the headquarters for that guy leading up to the "Great Offensive".  Prevost just scandalously honored Ataturk at his tomb, the latter having been a genocidal butcher behind the Armenian genocide of "Christians", including Catholics.  Among the notable early bishops of this See was St. Agapetus (not the one who was a pope), but considered a confessor and "wonder-worker".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synnada



Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Archbishop Marcel François Marie Joseph Lefebvre + R.I.P.
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2025, 06:59:27 PM »
I sent ChatGPT in search of the question regarding his alleged resignation, and ChatGPT indicates that the catholic-hierarchy.org citation was wrong, citing a letter written from an official Congregation in Rome, the Congregation of the Clergy, from Cardinal Wright, address to +Lefebvre in 1971, referring to him as the Titular Archbishop of Synnada in Phrygia.  It found other instances through the 1970s where +Lefebvre refers to himself as the Titular Archbishop, but by the 1980s he starts using the title "Bishop Emeritus of Tulle", though we're not sure why he switched.  But there's absolutely no proof that he resigned his Titular Archbishopric, and much evidence to the contrary.  Unforunately, that does pose a serious problem for The Nine, since Canon Law does in fact declare excommunicated, reserved to the Holy See, in a simple mode, anyone who were to take a Bishop, "even a Titular bishops", before lay court, per the 1917 Code of Canon Law.  Even if by some shenanigans Montini had stripped him of the title (thus far no evidence for this has been found), The Nine don't consider him a pope anyway, so even such a stripping would have been invalid ... having come from an Anti-Pope.

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Re: Abp Marcel François Joseph Lefebvre -120 th Anniversary of Birth 2025 AD.
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2025, 07:14:53 PM »
Also of interest is that +Lefebvre was the last one to have held this Titular See.  I wonder why it remained vacant after him.  Did he in fact resign it at all or is this some historical revisionism by the Conciliars?

https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/diocese/d3s31.

Sorry, I will add my thoughts later...so cold in Canada, my cell screenfreezing¥iles!

http://www.tboyle.net/Catholicism/Lefebvre-Mayer_Consecratio.html

...Ordained a Roman Catholic priest on 09/21/1929 at Lille, France, by Achille Liénart, Bishop of Lille, France. In 1931 he joined the Congregation of the Holy Ghost.
Consecrated a Roman Catholic bishop on 09/18/1947 at Tourcoing, France, by Msgr. Achille Cardinal Liénart, Bishop of Lille, assisted by Msgr. Alfred Ancel, Titular Bishop of Myrina in Asia Minor and Auxiliary Bishop of Lyon, France, and by Msgr. Jean-Baptiste Fauret, C.S.Sp., Titular Bishop of Araxa.
Msgr. Lefebvre was Titular Bishop of Antedone, 1947-1948, Titular Archbishop of Arcadiopolis in Europe, 1948-1955, Archbishop of Dakar, Senegal, 1955-1962, Bishop of Tulle, France, January 1962-August 1962, Titular Archbishop of Synnada in Phrygia, 1962-1970. In 1970 he resigned his titular see and took the title "Archibishop-Bishop emeritus of Tulle." He was Superior General of the Congregation of the Holy Ghost (1962-68) and Superior General of the Sacerdotal Society of St. Pius X (1970-83).
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    Ordained a priest for the Sacerdotal Society of St. Pius X on 06/29/1982 at Ecône, Switzerland, by Msgr. Marcel Lefebvre, retired Archbishop-Bishop of Tulle France.
    Consecrated a bishop on 06/30/1988 at Ecône, Switzerland, by Msgr. Marcel Lefebvre, retired Archbishop-Bishop of Tulle, France, assisted by Msgr.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Abp Marcel François Joseph Lefebvre -120 th Anniversary of Birth 2025 AD.
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2025, 07:20:10 PM »
http://www.tboyle.net/Catholicism/Lefebvre-Mayer_Consecratio.html



Boyle's wrong, merely parroting catholic-hierarchy.org.  As mentioned, Cardinal Write, Congregation of the Clergy, sent an official letter to Archbishop Lefebvre in 1971 addressing him as the Titular Archbishop of Synnada in Phrygia, and +Lefebvre himself used the title through the 1970s, with this letter about the altar stone using the title in 1977.  YOU are the one who posted a picture of the certificate.  Until his death, everyone called him Archbishop Lefebvre, not Bishop Emeritus Lefebvre.