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    Translation by FromRome.Info’s Polish Correspondent

    P- Laudetur Jesus Christus

    AL- In secula seculorum Amen.

    P- Viewers and listeners of Archbishop are asking your Excellency to speak out on the Motu Prioprio “Traditionis Custodes” in which pope Francis restricted celebrating Tridentine Mass and has in practice banned the celebration of the Traditional Mass in parish churches. In this way, he has changed the decision of Benedict XVI, made sixteen years ago. From now on, the bishops have to give permission to celebrate the Mass in extraordinary form to individual priests, additionally Tridentine Masses can only be celebrated in appointed places, not in the parish churches. Nevertheless, the first Polish bishops are giving the permissions for celebrating Traditional Mass according to the new rules, trying not to make it difficult for the faithful to participate in Traditional Mass: The Bishop of Elblag, the Bp of Wroclaw. That happens not only in Poland but also in USA. American bishops in USA, in reaction to pope’s Motu Proprio, published statements regarding the rules for celebrating Traditional Mass. As is seen, there is some discontent, and not only in traditional circles, also some problems can be seen by the bishops that never were familiar with Traditional Mass. I would like to ask the Archbishop to comment on this.

    Archbishop Lenga:  To be honest , I am not surprised by that. It’s like a continuation of this is hermeneutic of Bergoglio, who compared to the popes of the council and after the council, has already precisely unleashed the damages to all the Sacrum, that had still been left in the souls of the faithful Catholics.

    What drives him against it? It’s hard to look into his conscience. But his external acts, behaviors, treatment of the Catholics who want to live in obedience to the Gospel, in full tradition, imitating Lord’s saints that were faithful to Christ through the centuries, in the most difficult conditions of persecution, … so it seams that today, sitting on the pope’s throne, Bergoglio is completely damaging the unity and legacy of nearly two thousands years that have lasted from Christ’s time until the second Vatican council. He is really trying it to the maximum, to damage everything that still gives any signs of glory and worship to Jesus Christ as a God and as a man.

    Let’s say, that today’s Catholic Church is much lowered from the level of the Heavens. And God’s Second Person, Jesus Christ, is practically de-sacralized. And if Christ is mentioned as a man, He is being mentioned the same as any other, just someone similar to many, without any special reverence and glory for Him. When He is mentioned, it’s usually in the context of their own statements that have nothing to do with God, reverence or with what Christ established in His Church – that His Church would be a sign for the people of the whole world. The sign of salvation,  and of the Sacraments that sanctify man in this life, so that he be cleansed from sins and enlightened by God’s grace, become pleasing to God already here on Earth, while aiming, in this valley of tears, for the heavenly homeland. There is manifest, even without using a magnifying glass, that the steps coming today out of Vatican, and Bergoglio, who is the reason of that all or the executor of that all — I think both, the initiator and executor — and is forcing others to immediately accept it. He is acting not like a father but like a step-mother, who loves those children he wants to love, because that’s what he likes, but not the children who want to love the God Who created them, who want to love Jesus Christ who redeemed them, who want to live in the fullness of the Holy Spirit, not the children of evil, of the masons, Pentecostals that have nothing to do with the Holy Spirit. But this latter is what is their pleasure today — while they give one another positions, praise, incensing each other — the society of the limited responsibility that usurps power in the Catholic Church, a Church that has been built in prior ages by our fathers, grandfathers and generations of centuries before. These gave God the greatest worship, building the most beautiful churches, the most beautiful altars, the most beautiful monstrances, amenities, just to give the glory to the One God of the Holy Trinity.

    On the altars where the Traditional Mass was celebrated, in the Latin Rite, perfected since the the time of the Apostles, over the ages, and confirmed by the version profoundly explored and given to the Church as the best source of deepening the faith, by the pope Pius V.

    Until today.

    It has been here for nearly 450 years. Pope Pius V didn’t change anything that was before him but only perfected and ennobled it; out of piety he took away what was unnecessary, for the glory of God, and the centuries-old prayers gave the Mass the pinnacle of perfection in worshiping God that is only possible on Earth.

    Whereas Paul the VI, whom they call holy, did all the opposite. He changed nearly two thousand years of Catholicism and made his own — I have no idea what to call it — mass: protestant, Jєωιѕн, Judaic. It’s hard to say what else it is. Specialists not in the mass but of politics were involved in creation of this cancer. It doesn’t help people who come to this Mass to feel that Jesus Christ offers Himself for them and obtains for them graces of forgiveness, mercy, and love that come from the greatness of God, and that He Himself is Love. God wants to give Himself whole to us and wants our participation, to be there with Him. While that damaged-mass, which at the beginning of establishing it in 1970 (in the capital where the Mass of All Times was established was damaged by Paul the VI), was given to the Church as the best one. This neoplasm has got nothing best, this is protestant, modernistic neoplasm, that has nothing to do with what Christ has given to His Apostles and the whole Church from the beginning and until the end of Times.

    Today Bergoglio, as the one being faithful not to the Church, and not to the Christ, but to damaging the Church to the end, today he put out the priests, bishops, many faithful who found in tradition of the Sacrum and in the piety of their spirit, humility of the heart: these who want to give Jesus Christ the greatest glory and praise, Bergoglio in one moment put all of them outside the law, acting against them as if they were some of the world’s terrorists.

    Bergoglio establishes that the Mass of All Times becomes the obstacle, as in fact it is the obstacle to the masonic, lay, modernist, liberal, progressive cancer forced upon the Church. From now own, there will be punishments for bishops, priests, faithful: people who will suffer because of loosing this great spirit and being forced by the post Vatican II counciliar legislation. There is plenitude of books on the subject of the Second Vatican Council, how it all happened, how Church enemies inside of the Church were destroying the Sacrum, how the popes submitted to that, until today’s Bergoglio, who is sitting there on the pope’s throne. They damage the Sacrum to make the Catholic Church one of many churches, not the main one.

    Our Church is established by Jesus Christ; where the Muhammad of the Muslims is not God, but Christ is God. If the vicar of Christ, that the pope should be, objects to Jesus Christ, who established His Church for sanctifying people and leading them to holiness and the unity with God, or acts in this way, I reckon people of tradition should object to this, firmly oppose this, and they have the right to do so, as they should be obedient to Jesus Christ rather than to the vicar who preaches his erroneous whims and desires instead of defending many centuries of tradition of the Church, and Her dogmas. He doesn’t speak of God’s commandments, he doesn’t speak of conversion of sinners in the time of so called pandemic” or epidemic. He doesn’t do anything to direct all the people and churches in the world to conversion, to the prayer of expiation to God so that God could look upon our penance and help us. But contrary to that, he, in a proud and cynical way, in various ways, tries to destroy the rest of God’s inheritance on this Earth in order to pave the way for the coming of the Antichrist.

    Do not submit to all this.

    I am telling this to myself and all those who are of the image and resemblance of Jesus Christ, to those who have not yet lost it: those who have a mind and have a will: to brace up and object to that  each in his own. And to those Bishops and Priests who still persevere and celebrate the Traditional Mass: to give hope to those little groups of faithful who desire it so much today, to those who feel the Sacrum with full devotion of the spirit and body and cling to it. That the priests should abandon this system of oppression and lies and became those who are called to proclaim Truth about the Christ, not the lies of today’s world and today’s Church damaged by the masons.

    As Archbishop Viganò says, the Catholic Church is controlled by Freemasons and today it proclaims not the Gospel of Jesus Christ but the masonic postulates, and deforms strong words of the Holy Scripture in order to make the agenda not of the Heaven but of the Earth — and rather not of the Earth but of the Hell that governs the Earth, of the Demon who has got the Earth in his claws and rules this world to prepare people to give him worship and glory.

    The Christ has taught us, when He himself rejected the temptations of the Demon who said, “Give me the praise and I will give you all the wealth of the world”; He responded: “You will give praise and glory to your God alone!”

    We should reject all the corruption, no matter from whose mouth it will come, whether from Bergolio’s , cardinals or corrupted bishops, and follow the pure seed of the teaching of God that has been followed over ages by the all faithful martyrs. But the corrupted teaching of those who are today sitting on the top of the Church but say nothing about their Master, should not be followed.

    But Jesus Christ will come quickly, like the lightning, and there will be the end, and He will judge their and our acts.

    We should listen first to the Christ and those who reveal Him on this Earth and faithfully and truthfully serve Him; and suffer for it.

    Those who incense each other instead – the “society with limited responsibility” — who shut the Catholic Churches, who chased out faithful Catholics from the Churches, who are forcing people to, and push on their hands Holy Communion profaning the Body of Christ, and spray some liquids at the most holy liturgical acts of the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass — it all shows that they have not believed for a long time that there is Transubstantiation of the bread into the Body of Jesus Christ and of the wine into the Blood of Jesus Christ. They don’t believe it for a long time, therefore their conversations and messages are so shallow: it’s just an evangelical gibberish that has nothing in common with preaching the Gospel as Christ proclaimed and entrusted the Church by saying “ Go and teach all the nations as I told you”.[/font][/size][/color]

    Don’t speak from your own authority but speak from His, the way He preached. When they stopped talking about Him then we see the results of all that as it is now. I am not surprised. The Traditional Mass is not forbidden yet, but the possibility of celebrating it is so restricted that those who took over the Church will be promoting their own minions who even can celebrate the Traditional Mass, but won’t be preaching the Gospel of the first centuries of Christianity and the all tradition up until the Second Vatican Council. They will only be preaching that which damaged the whole Sacrum during the Second Vatican Council and has been damaging the Church to the end throughout the nations 50 years after that council. It looks that the 50 years of the new “tradition,” that is a cancer, is more important than the tradition of 1950 years after the Christ.

    This is a total lie.

    And this lie needs to be objected to because the vocation to holiness of any of us is more important than being obedient to those who don’t lead us to holiness, but rather draw us away from salvation like the wolves in the sheep skins. Salvation is worth the fight for it, it is the opposition to wolves, whether the wolves in the world or wolves in the sheep skins in the Catholic Church who torture us and throw us out of the churches to lead us astray. Our vocation is everlasting life in Jesus Christ. Jesus waits for us, helps us, so don’t submit yourself to all that.

    I am not surprised that the bishops, today, in their majority, liberal and modernists, who have not had faith for a long time,  that these will never allow that anyone would celebrate Traditional Massin their area. Because they don’t want to have problems with Vatican while they want to have a good, warm sleep and good life at the trough and “donations in envelopes”. They don’t care about people that come to the Church but about the grants that they will be getting from the Evil One and the kingdom created by him. Those will be supported (by the system) who have nothing to do with Christ and Salvation.

    Lets fight all this. As much as we can, everyone from own place.

    Catacombs are starting. Bergoglio by his Motu Proprio opened people’s eyes that catacombs have already started. And that requires that we open shrines in our homes, as it used to be in Kazakhstan when I arrived there. In every house of every village, there was a space where there was an altar with the Crucifix, holy images, and every priest who could get there could celebrate Holy Mass in the house like this. Do the same today, o Catholics faithful to the Tradition, if you want to be redeemed instead of going that wide spacious path to the condemnation. Look for those serious, brave priests.

    And you brave and earnest priests who take your vocations seriously try to get out of the system of badness, of this totalitarian system of trespassing on your freedom in Christ, your ministrations in Christ, your testimony as the second Christ on Earth, so that the people can see you and know through you, by looking at your acts – this God who redeemed us and enlightens us.

    Going, asking and humiliating yourselves in front of the bishops, who will never allow for celebration of TM, this is a mockery of those people who are the best part of the Church. Bergoglio acted not according to the Christ so he can not have the mandate for the obedience to his own caprices, because he is not obedient to the will of Christ. So everyone can duck out from this kind of company that is not fully Catholic.

    I am Catholic and I want to be Catholic, I try to be Catholic, I fight for it, I care, that’s why I talk about it. I am not urging everyone to dissent, but if someone feels that he wants to be saved then exit this “society of limited responsibility” which is a wide and spacious road to hell. And go to the hard hills where you will be persecuted, but the Truth will set you free. And the Truth requires sacrifice, blood. The first persecutors of us will be Bergoglio, the Vatican, the cardinals and the bishops, parish priests and clergy. They will be persecuting the monks in convents to force them, to break their conscience, to make them to be the obedient tools in their hands. In order that they won’t object anything but just accept the agenda that prepares the place for demon, rather than God.

    And Christ will come anyway, as the Lord of the Earth and of the Heaven, and He will judge the leaving and the dead. Everyone of us will stand in front of Him and we will be judged on love, in front of Him. Think of this, Bergoglio. And think of this, you bishops: How much love do you have for Christ and how much love you have for your impious acts? God will judge you from the acts made out of love for Him and from suffer for it, instead of sitting on the chairs and self-pasture well. You should fed your sheep upon the best pastures and lead them to the sheepfold of which Shepherd is Jesus Christ.

    Amen.

    P- Thank you Archbishop for these words.

    AL- Thanks be to God.


    Offline richard

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    Re: Archbishop +Lenga responds to Bergoglio's Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #1 on: July 29, 2021, 05:50:59 PM »
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  • Who is this Prelate? I have never heard of him before.


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    Re: Archbishop +Lenga responds to Bergoglio's Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #2 on: July 29, 2021, 07:22:40 PM »
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  • Who is this Prelate? I have never heard of him before.
    He's been mentioned a few times on CI.

    ^This was a good video of him last year.  He also signed the APPEAL FOR THE CHURCH AND THE WORLD.


    Looks like he signed this too: Covid Vaccines: ‘The Ends Cannot Justify the Means’

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    Re: Archbishop +Lenga responds to Bergoglio's Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #3 on: July 29, 2021, 08:31:55 PM »
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  • He's been mentioned a few times on CI.

    ^This was a good video of him last year.  He also signed the APPEAL FOR THE CHURCH AND THE WORLD.


    Looks like he signed this too: Covid Vaccines: ‘The Ends Cannot Justify the Means’

    Notice that the altar behind him in the video is set up for a Tridentine Mass.

    It is the Tridentine Mass that is actually allowing this bishop to keep his Catholic sensibilities.  That is why Bergoglio was desperate to shut down the Mass.  This Mass has the effect of imbuing people with the spirit and the mind of the Church.

    People asked about +Vigano, about how he had become more Traditional Catholic over time.  I responded that it's because when you offer the Tridentine Mass, which he could do when he went "private", it's almost impossible to resist the draw of that Mass to the true Catholic faith.

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    Re: Archbishop +Lenga responds to Bergoglio's Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #4 on: July 29, 2021, 08:42:38 PM »
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  • Wow, another one who derisively refers to "Bergoglio", talking about him "sitting one the pope's throne," doesn't even want to call the NOM a "Mass" but rather, a Protestant, Judaic "neoplasm", and also refers to Montini with a "THEY call him holy" (i.e. a saint).

    He references +Vigano.  THIS is why +Vigano's coming out against the NOM and V2 were so important; it encourages others who may have been reluctant to do the same.


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    Re: Archbishop +Lenga responds to Bergoglio's Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #5 on: July 29, 2021, 08:47:24 PM »
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  • So I looked him up on catholic-hierarchy.org.  Evidently he was the one who consecrated Athanasius Schneider.  Unfortunately, he was ordained after Vatican II, though by a bishop consecrated before Vatican II.  I hope that perhaps he may have used the Traditional Rite.

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    Re: Archbishop +Lenga responds to Bergoglio's Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #6 on: July 29, 2021, 08:49:48 PM »
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  • Is he a Bennyvacantist?  
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Archbishop +Lenga responds to Bergoglio's Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #7 on: July 29, 2021, 10:49:37 PM »
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  • Is he a Bennyvacantist?  

    I doubt it.  He ripped on Montini also.  Bennyvacantists tend to hold that Bergoglio is the first and only problem.


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    Re: Archbishop +Lenga responds to Bergoglio's Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #8 on: July 30, 2021, 02:27:35 AM »
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  • Is he a Bennyvacantist?  

    Yes, Beneplenist:

    https://angelusnews.com/news/world/retired-archbishop-says-he-wont-keep-quiet-about-pope-as-heretic/amp/


    In a book-length interview, circulating in Polish on YouTube, he said he still recognized Pope Benedict XVI as pope and had dropped the "usurper and heretic" Pope Francis from his prayer intentions after concluding he was spreading "untruths and sins" and "leading the world astray."
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)

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    « Reply #9 on: July 30, 2021, 06:27:44 AM »
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  • Yes, Beneplenist:

    https://angelusnews.com/news/world/retired-archbishop-says-he-wont-keep-quiet-about-pope-as-heretic/amp/


    In a book-length interview, circulating in Polish on YouTube, he said he still recognized Pope Benedict XVI as pope and had dropped the "usurper and heretic" Pope Francis from his prayer intentions after concluding he was spreading "untruths and sins" and "leading the world astray."
    Makes sense.  As soon as I see anything posted from Brother Bugnolo's site ("fromrome"), I assume the Novus Ordo hierarch believes Ratzinger is pope.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Archbishop +Lenga responds to Bergoglio's Traditionis Custodes
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  • Well, I'm surprised by that given his attack on Montini and the NOM and V2.  Most Bennyvacantists hold that there was no problem with the papal claimants prior to Bergoglio.

    Bennyvacantism could in fact be a gateway to sedevacantism.  If they can hold that Bergoglio is a heretic and a non-pope, then it's a very tiny step to considering whether the same might apply to his predecessors.


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  • Well, I'm surprised by that given his attack on Montini and the NOM and V2.  Most Bennyvacantists hold that there was no problem with the papal claimants prior to Bergoglio.

    Bennyvacantism could in fact be a gateway to sedevacantism.  If they can hold that Bergoglio is a heretic and a non-pope, then it's a very tiny step to considering whether the same might apply to his predecessors.
    The only way those folks will become sedevacantist is when Ratzinger finally kicks the bucket (if he does so before Bergolgio).  They consider Bergoglio a non-pope because they say his election was not valid.  They do not focus on doctrinal issues.  
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Archbishop +Lenga responds to Bergoglio's Traditionis Custodes
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  • Well, I'm surprised by that given his attack on Montini and the NOM and V2.  Most Bennyvacantists hold that there was no problem with the papal claimants prior to Bergoglio.
    Bennyvacantists tend to hold that Bergoglio is the first and only problem.
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    I have not found that to be so.  From what I've seen, Bennyvacantists don't necessarily think BXVI was "good", nor his predecessors, but they talk about the problems regarding his so-called resignation etc. [I am not saying they're correct here; not trying to argue it nor start an argument that has nothing to do with this thread, which is about Archbishop Lenga.]  I'm not sure I've met any Bennyvacantists who think the previous Conciliar popes were just fine.  I'm wondering where you've seen people stating this, or if you just assume it?  

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  • They're not vacantists, they're plenists. They say the seat is occupied (not usurped) by legit Pope Bene.

    Sound language matters. 
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)

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  • They're not vacantists, they're plenists. They say the seat is occupied (not usurped) by legit Pope Bene.

    Sound language matters.
    Good point!