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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: ServusSpiritusSancti on January 27, 2013, 04:05:08 PM
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One of the largest misconceptions about Archbishop Lefebvre was that he believed sedevacantists were "schismatic" and that he was hostile to the position.
While it is true that he never embraced sedevacantism, he was open to the position, and there is no evidence to suggest that he thought sedes were schismatic. The Neo-SSPX, which tends to portray sedevacantists as the enemies and those who are opposed to a deal with Rome as "practical sedevacantists", also claims that Archbishop Lefebvre was hostile to the position. This simply is not true. This was being discussed on another thread, and I believe it deserves its own thread.
The following quotes from Archbishop Lefebvre clearly show he was open to the sedevacantist position:
“It is possible we may be obliged to believe this pope is not pope. For twenty years Mgr de Castro Mayer and I preferred to wait…I think we are waiting for the famous meeting in Assisi, if God allows it.” (Archbishop Lefebvre, Talk, March 30 and April 18, 1986, published in The Angelus, July 1986)
“…these recent acts of the Pope and bishops, with protestants, Animists and Jews, are they not an active participation in non-catholic worship as explained by Canon Naz on Canon 1258§1? In which case I cannot see how it is possible to say that the pope is not suspect of heresy, and if he continues, he is a heretic, a public heretic. That is the teaching of the Church.” (Talk, March 30 and April 18, 1986, text published in The Angelus, July 1986)
“If it happened that the pope was no longer the servant of the truth, he would no longer be pope.” (Homily preached at Lille, August 29, 1976, before a crowd of some 12,000)
“While we are certain that the faith the Church has taught for 20 centuries cannot contain error, we are much further from absolute certitude that the pope is truly pope.” (Le Figaro, August 4, 1976)
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That's all you can say to Archbishop Lefebvre's own words?
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That's all you can say to Archbishop Lefebvre's own words?
Same tired quotes, so often put in proper context.
Matthew: Perhaps we could get a few feenyite threads going?
They are usually shorter.
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That's all you can say to Archbishop Lefebvre's own words?
Same tired quotes, so often put in proper context.
Matthew: Perhaps we could get a few feenyite threads going?
They are usually shorter.
Not to get involved: just pointing out one such thread here (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=9615&min=195#p2), quite long.
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For those who wish to read the entire text of the Archbishop's speech in 1986, you can find it from the original Angelus here on PDF:
http://strobertbellarmine.net/angeluslefebvre.html
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That's all you can say to Archbishop Lefebvre's own words?
Same tired quotes, so often put in proper context.
Matthew: Perhaps we could get a few feenyite threads going?
They are usually shorter.
Schismatics sedevacantes, Feeneyites etc
It looks like anyoine that disagrees with what you believe is immediately stigmatized by you just like the liberals do. Just like them, you likely don't have the knowledge to refute their arguments, so in your frustration you resort to stigmatizing.
I am not a sedevacantes, nor a follower of Fr. Feeney, however, I respect both.
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Explain why you think what Tripe S said is not worthy of consideration.
Do you doubt the veracity of the source of those quotes?
If they are taken out of context, then post the context and we'll draw our own conclusions.
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This is ridiculous how sedevacantists post the incompleta thoughts of Mons. Levebvre!!! He did use the reference "schismatic". In the book Open Letter to Conf. Catholics he said of the sedevacantist view that he viewed in it a schismatic spirit, but he did not deny the possibility that it could happen and one day we would find ourselves dealing with that in my understanding of his books. You can't tell an incomplete story if your talking about Mons. Lefebvre. It wouldn't be very just. Thanks.
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Read his own quotes, he thought the position was very possible and wasn't certain that the Pope was truly Pope.