Author Topic: Archbishop Lefebvre airbrushed from GB SSPX District Newsletter (Read 4073 times)

Raphaela · « **on:** March 14, 2016, 08:42:21 PM »

From the first page of the March-April 2016 GB District newsletter, under the heading "About":

"The Society of Saint Pius X is a priestly society of common life without vows established to provide training for the Catholic priesthood following the traditional doctrine and liturgy of the Catholic Church in use before the Second Vatican Council. The Society was erected in Fribourg, Switzerland by Bishop Francois Charriere of Lausanne, Geneva and Fribourg on 1st November 1970."

That is the entire description.

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The newsletter, now with the weak and tedious re-branded typeface and layout, is edited by the new District Superior, Fr. Robert Brucciani - of Flying Squirrel fame - and is bizarrely called Ite Missa Est - Go, the Mass is ended(!)

(I suppose they're following the ancient modernist-liturgical-movement interpretation of this: "Go, you are now sent out to spread the Faith" - exploded long ago?)

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It also contains an article for the SSPX Third Order, "The Spirit of Sacrifice and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass" by Fr. Philippe Pazat, which starts with an insulting paragraph about traditional Catholics at Mass. I’ll give the whole thing, as Pope Francis could hardly have done it better:

"How many people attend the Mass every Sunday but do not seem to receive any fruits or effects in their souls? The Mass does not seem to be the centre of their lives. They attend the Mass, asking the priest to celebrate the Mass at the most convenient time so as not to disturb other activities of the day, looking for the most comfortable pew or bench, even reserving it if that was possible, hoping that the sermon will not be too long and preferring Low Mass because it is much shorter, criticizing the mothers with fussy babies, and going to the tearoom as soon as possible to pour their coffee on top of the Blessed Sacrament they have just received, and then gossiping about the priests and other parishioners. They go home with a happy conscience to have fulfilled their Catholic duty or even with pride thinking that they are a defender of the Catholic faith just by going to the Latin Mass. How far away they are from the Catholic spirit! In fact they attend the Mass as a spectacle with a pharisaical mentality just to accomplish the Church Law. They follow the Protestant theology: Our Lord has done everything necessary for our salvation, therefore we don’t need to add our sacrifices. And if the attendance in the chapel is diminishing they will feel “persecuted” rather than seeing the cause of it in their lukewarm attitude." (My highlighting)

Has any priest ever seen fit to use such cheap insults against his congregation? More likely to make people walk out than to increase their fervour. Can anyone imagine Archbishop Lefebvre or any of the old traditional priests talking like this?

Centroamerica · « **Reply #1 on:** March 14, 2016, 10:30:02 PM »

Fr. Pazat was a French paratrooper and seminary professor in Winona later. I think they sent him somewhere like Africa in 2010. Anyhow, it sounds like he is fed up with a particular attitude that has really struck at chapels across the board. People not taking the Mass seriously and having petty attitudes. I just read a blog post where an ex-resistance chapel defends and seemingly boasts about removing the windows from a sister chapel that just received Bishop Faure. They claimed they were being slandered because they offered to pay for the damage it costs to destroy their windows so the other chapel couldn't have them, since they are now receiving Bishop Faure, or something like that. These kinds of attitudes are across the board. The real answer to this crisis is in the motto of the Archbishop. Speaking of the Archbishop, they really left his name out of the SSPX description? What is that all about?

Incredulous · « **Reply #2 on:** March 15, 2016, 12:10:30 AM »

What you're describing is found in the true message of Our Lady of Lasalette.
The whole unfolding of events is spoken of there.

The following video is first class:

We are so blessed to have the Queen and Mother Heaven and earth who truly loves and looks out for us.

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** March 15, 2016, 08:19:27 AM »

This has been done before:

When St. Benedict Press, a basically Novus Ordo outfit, purchased TAN Books & Publishers in 2009, they actually changed the meaning of what TAN stood for!

TAN is supposed to stand for Thomas A. Nelson, the founder of the company. He was a Traditional Catholic pioneer, in the Traditional movement since the early 70's. Besides his Catholic book business, he also was involved with the Order of St. John, Knights of Malta, under whose auspices he set up an independent chapel in Rockford, IL in 1974. I'm not a huge fan of OSJ, but the chapel had 120 Faithful at its peak, with 2 Masses every Sunday. The chapel lost MOST of its parishioners when the Institute of Christ the King came to town in the mid 1990's. The ICK got the diocese to give them an old church downtown, and they've been playing 1950's parish there ever since.

But a lot of good fruit came from that independent chapel; a lot of people kept the faith and many people saved their souls.

But back to St. Benedict Press -- the new owners changed TAN to mean, "Tuum Adoramus Nomen" or "We adore Thy name, (O Lord)".

I think it's shady to redefine the meaning of a name like this. If anyone likes TAN books, they should say a prayer for Thomas Nelson. He's still alive by the way. Why not mention him in their books, asking for prayers for him? It seems only just.

Remember, just because we have lots of little Traditional Catholic publishers today doesn't mean we always did. Those over 30 should remember that in the 1980's there was pretty much ONE place that reprinted hundreds of pre-Vatican II Catholic books for the English speaking world -- and that was TAN Books.

Angelus Press, Sophia, Ignatius Press, all those guys came much later.

Don · « **Reply #4 on:** March 15, 2016, 10:18:01 AM »

Quote from: Raphaela

From the first page of the March-April 2016 GB District newsletter, under the heading "About":

"The Society of Saint Pius X is a priestly society of common life without vows established to provide training for the Catholic priesthood following the traditional doctrine and liturgy of the Catholic Church in use before the Second Vatican Council. The Society was erected in Fribourg, Switzerland by Bishop Francois Charriere of Lausanne, Geneva and Fribourg on 1st November 1970."

That is the entire description.

___________________________________________

The newsletter, now with the weak and tedious re-branded typeface and layout, is edited by the new District Superior, Fr. Robert Brucciani - of Flying Squirrel fame - and is bizarrely called Ite Missa Est - Go, the Mass is ended(!)

(I suppose they're following the ancient modernist-liturgical-movement interpretation of this: "Go, you are now sent out to spread the Faith" - exploded long ago?)

___________________________________________

It also contains an article for the SSPX Third Order, "The Spirit of Sacrifice and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass" by Fr. Philippe Pazat, which starts with an insulting paragraph about traditional Catholics at Mass. I’ll give the whole thing, as Pope Francis could hardly have done it better:

"How many people attend the Mass every Sunday but do not seem to receive any fruits or effects in their souls? The Mass does not seem to be the centre of their lives. They attend the Mass, asking the priest to celebrate the Mass at the most convenient time so as not to disturb other activities of the day, looking for the most comfortable pew or bench, even reserving it if that was possible, hoping that the sermon will not be too long and preferring Low Mass because it is much shorter, criticizing the mothers with fussy babies, and going to the tearoom as soon as possible to pour their coffee on top of the Blessed Sacrament they have just received, and then gossiping about the priests and other parishioners. They go home with a happy conscience to have fulfilled their Catholic duty or even with pride thinking that they are a defender of the Catholic faith just by going to the Latin Mass. How far away they are from the Catholic spirit! In fact they attend the Mass as a spectacle with a pharisaical mentality just to accomplish the Church Law. They follow the Protestant theology: Our Lord has done everything necessary for our salvation, therefore we don’t need to add our sacrifices. And if the attendance in the chapel is diminishing they will feel “persecuted” rather than seeing the cause of it in their lukewarm attitude." (My highlighting)

Has any priest ever seen fit to use such cheap insults against his congregation? More likely to make people walk out than to increase their fervour. Can anyone imagine Archbishop Lefebvre or any of the old traditional priests talking like this?

fr pazat spot on. the priests used to pull no punches in the old days, the newsletter interesting but maybe making a mountain out of a molehill, see what happens when the website in GB gets updated and branded, at the moment okay on main page.

BJ5 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 15, 2016, 10:36:27 AM »

Quote from: Raphaela

___________________________________________

It also contains an article for the SSPX Third Order, "The Spirit of Sacrifice and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass" by Fr. Philippe Pazat, which starts with an insulting paragraph about traditional Catholics at Mass. I’ll give the whole thing, as Pope Francis could hardly have done it better:

"How many people attend the Mass every Sunday but do not seem to receive any fruits or effects in their souls? The Mass does not seem to be the centre of their lives. They attend the Mass, asking the priest to celebrate the Mass at the most convenient time so as not to disturb other activities of the day, looking for the most comfortable pew or bench, even reserving it if that was possible, hoping that the sermon will not be too long and preferring Low Mass because it is much shorter, criticizing the mothers with fussy babies, and going to the tearoom as soon as possible to pour their coffee on top of the Blessed Sacrament they have just received, and then gossiping about the priests and other parishioners. They go home with a happy conscience to have fulfilled their Catholic duty or even with pride thinking that they are a defender of the Catholic faith just by going to the Latin Mass. How far away they are from the Catholic spirit! In fact they attend the Mass as a spectacle with a pharisaical mentality just to accomplish the Church Law. They follow the Protestant theology: Our Lord has done everything necessary for our salvation, therefore we don’t need to add our sacrifices. And if the attendance in the chapel is diminishing they will feel “persecuted” rather than seeing the cause of it in their lukewarm attitude." (My highlighting)

Has any priest ever seen fit to use such cheap insults against his congregation? More likely to make people walk out than to increase their fervour. Can anyone imagine Archbishop Lefebvre or any of the old traditional priests talking like this?

If you don't think what Fr. Pazat is describing is happening then you haven't been around Tradition much. This is not endemic to the SSPX but happens across the board (SSPX, Indepents, SSPV - I've been in all of those environments). If you are "offended" that this behavior is being "called out", you have probably spent too much time in the Novus Ordo where parishioners feelings and sensibilities are first and foremost.

You would do well to listen to Bishop Williamson's sermons on the "Trads-are-perfect." These sentiments could have easily come from him.

Raphaela · « **Reply #6 on:** March 15, 2016, 06:03:46 PM »

Interesting replies. I haven't been to the Novus Ordo since the 1980s, so I wouldn't know. What he describes is certainly there at traditional chapels, but there are much better ways of teaching people to behave better. I remember a time when the traditional priests and faithful were on the same side, and the priests didn't attack the faithful, presuming to read their minds, interpreting their behaviour and calling them names. Can't imagine Bishop Williamson using this sort of language, or any priest, in fact, before Pope Francis gave the example.

Telling them to be more charitable about crying babies, etc., teaching them about making a thanksgiving, and not just routine communions, is one thing, calling them Pharisees and Protestants is a different matter. Why not call them "neo-Pelagian Rosary-counters" as well? These are just crass insults and seem to show a loss of self-confidence among the priests of the NSSPX. Their congregations are becoming potential opponents, who might perhaps be thinking of joining the Resistance ("if attendance in the chapel is diminishing ...")

trento · « **Reply #7 on:** March 18, 2016, 11:39:03 AM »

Fr Pazat is correct. Many trads are too sensitive and cannot take the slightest criticism believing that they are right in everything. What he wrote aptly describes the smells-and-bells crowd who goes just for the spectacle but will complain if the sermon was too long.

Raphaela · « **Reply #8 on:** March 18, 2016, 06:05:15 PM »

So now we call Catholics who still go to the SSPX "the smells and bells crowd"? And that's what we were till recently... Now they're bad Catholics, and crude Pope Francis-style invective is all they deserve?

I think these comments are coming from Pfeifferites and red-lighters.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #9 on:** March 19, 2016, 02:56:43 AM »

Quote from: Raphaela

So now we call Catholics who still go to the SSPX "the smells and bells crowd"? And that's what we were till recently... Now they're bad Catholics, and crude Pope Francis-style invective is all they deserve?

I think these comments are coming from Pfeifferites and red-lighters.

Maybe Fr. Pazat is talking specifically about the laity in France, because I can pretty much say that I have never seen that type of parishioner in any USA SSPX Chapel and at the very most, the odd person here and there that is like that, quickly figures out he is doing wrong by the example of others.

Remember that everyone attended the trad mass in the late 1950's and early 60's, and they pretty much revolted and went talong with the Novus Ordo or left the Church. It was that type of "trad mass" Catholic that Fr. Pazat is talking about. Maybe the French laity is ahead of the USA in "modernizing"?

Raphaela · « **Reply #10 on:** March 19, 2016, 03:50:57 PM »

No, Fr Pazat has been working in England for many years and this was published in the English District newsletter...

Recusant Sede · « **Reply #11 on:** March 19, 2016, 05:08:00 PM »

Father Pazat is a fine priest and is pius. I know him, but haven't seen him in over eleven years. He has often preached about the "back biting tongue" which, it seems, is similar to what he is writing about here.

trento · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2016, 01:13:59 PM »

Quote from: Raphaela

So now we call Catholics who still go to the SSPX "the smells and bells crowd"? And that's what we were till recently... Now they're bad Catholics, and crude Pope Francis-style invective is all they deserve?

I think these comments are coming from Pfeifferites and red-lighters.

Is English your first language? I understand Fr. Pazat to mean the bunch of people who attends the Traditional Mass for the external beauty alone, but not for the doctrine. This is what is meant by the 'smells and bells crowd'.