I'm coming late into this discussion but it has caused me to remember something that might add to the discussion concerning the Archbishop and Rome.  This quote comes from a talk given by ABL at Flavigny, France, December 1988; Fideliter No. 68, p. 15).  It can be found in the book, "The Impossible Reconciliation", p. 2.

"I waited until June 5th to write to the Pope: 'I regret, but we cannot go along with this.  You do not have the same goal as us.  In making an accord, your goal is to bring us back to the Council.  Mine, on the other hand, is to keep us outside the Council and your influence.' "

I believe this refers to the accord of June 1988 since this was spoken in December of 1988.  Whether or not the Archbishop decided against it the very next day or whether he waited does not matter.  The fact is that he did and he didn't look back.

Yes, we should remember this, not only when +Fellay tells us that ++Lefebvre was never opposed to an accord, but also when we're told that it's difficult to discern his position, that both sides have evidence, quotations, and a claim to his legacy. Actions speak louder than words, don't they, so the consecration and subsequent "excommunication" demonstrate just how militant he was.

I'm coming late into this discussion but it has caused me to remember something that might add to the discussion concerning the Archbishop and Rome.  This quote comes from a talk given by ABL at Flavigny, France, December 1988; Fideliter No. 68, p. 15).  It can be found in the book, "The Impossible Reconciliation", p. 2.

"I waited until June 5th to write to the Pope: 'I regret, but we cannot go along with this.  You do not have the same goal as us.  In making an accord, your goal is to bring us back to the Council.  Mine, on the other hand, is to keep us outside the Council and your influence.' "

I believe this refers to the accord of June 1988 since this was spoken in December of 1988.  Whether or not the Archbishop decided against it the very next day or whether he waited does not matter.  The fact is that he did and he didn't look back.

There probably wouldn't even be a CathInfo forum without the Archbishop. Every trad owes him a certain amount of gratitude for doing the unthinkable: daring to object to Church council in the face of rogue Church authorities. His flaws as a leader of the first VII resistance were tied into the sheer suicidal insanity in which he was confronted with. As his spiritual successor, Williamson shares some of those flaws, but considering his strengths they're more than forgivable.

It's well-known that most posters on any forum on the internet just want to argue and humiliate their opponents. As long as there's enough area to sink there tiny incisors into, like Lefebvre's hesitance before changing his mind for instance, there will be plenty of fuel for an eternal flame war.

If I see a vagrant chewing on a piece of cardboard like it's a Thanksgiving meal, I know he must be either very hungry, very myopic, very deranged or a combination of all three. I'd give him real food if I didn't think he might mistake my hands for cinnamon sticks. Otherwise, all I can do is shake my head sadly and keep on moving.

So here's to moving on.  :cheers: