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Offline Jack in the Box

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« on: August 29, 2012, 06:51:46 PM »
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  • I had no idea of what would be the subject matter to day. Then came a comment from Germany by Suger, that Saint Augustine was probably not an Arab, but likely a Berber or something else since this part of Africa was a part of the Roman Empire at that time. I responded to this kind comment in a rapid way, and then it appears that something needs to be say  about the Arabs who are faithful to the True God of the Holy Trinity; Jesus Christ born of the Virgin Mary.
       *. Many Arabs are Christians, such as in Palestine around Nazareth, and also around Bethlehem, as well as in Syria where stands the shrine of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
       *. Arabs are Muslims of various sects for the vast majority. It takes courage and true faith for an Arab to convert from infidelity because the Mohammedans punish by death the simple act of reading the Bible.
       *. Arabs Catholics have met a mass-martyrdom in the mid-sixties in Algeria when thousands of Harkies were slaughtered after having been abandoned by the President Charles De Gaulle's government during the independence of Algeria.
       *. Arabs new converts are currently being martyred in Egypt. A few gruesome videos of beheading were shown -not by the big medias, but by traditionalist publications and web-sites such as "Riposte Catholique".
       *. Our Lady of the Rosary chose Fatima as a location to make her series of apparition in 1917. This place is not random, because nothing is random within the Kingdom of God. It is to be told that the name of Fatima is the one of a favorite wife of the Prophet Muhammad, which makes Our Lady of Fatima very popular in the Arab world. This might tell that the Arabs might be en-graced with mass-conversions in the future through a spectacular divine intervention.
       *. One of the most famous Saint of Arab descent is the Saint Flora. She was born Muhammadan in Spain, but was secretly raise Catholic by her mother. Her brother found-out, and, according to the Sharia Law he sold his sister to a brothel. Flora kept her faith in spite of the outrage and managed to convert other prostitutes until she was beheaded. Some few short years after the martyrdom of Saint Flora, the Christian knights from Spain repelled the infidels from the peninsula. I think that Saint Flora is the Saint Patroness of Spain (I am not sure on this one).
       *. Many Arab Muslims are aware of the inconsistencies of their religion, such as: The first Muslim act was the pillaging of an innocent caravan in Arabia. This first act of Islam of killing, raping and stealing is in direct contradiction with the Old Laws that they claim to respect. Then the Muslims claim to be sons of Abraham, but they practice human sacrifice in sending their sons as ѕυιcιdє-bombers, an act that is in direct contradiction with the word of the Almighty who stopped the Prophet from immolating Isaac. Also the Prophet Muhammad never performed a single miracle, a single resurrection, and proved to have been in error in a prophecy of winning a battle that he lost and in which he was wounded. The Prophet Muhammad wrote the Satanic Verses in the Koran, which verses could no longer be erased after the Prophet Muhammad admitted to have been fooled by Satan. Apologetics against Islam are numerous.

    Archbishop Lefêbvre spoke of the Muslims in his Sermons when telling about his years spend in Black Africa. He was well aware of the other religions, and told in plain language of which gods those religions were. He accepted Muslim children in his schools, taught them Catechism as to all other pupils, but refrained to convert then although those little Muslim children cried during Mass for not be able to receive communion (one Sermon contained in the "forbidden book" speaks of this particular situation, which is naturally in contradiction with the spirit of V2; the conciliar heretics; and the Agrimentos who are all corrupt by various politics of appeasements, which politics end-up giving courage to the devil. Our saintly Archbishop, on the subject of appeasement with the devils that has invaded the Church, once  exclaimed in a sermon of the forbidden book; 'Never the peace! Always the war!". This was the right statement in front of the demons who only respect the Power -of God). That say, the Muslim is a tyrannical religion that may oppress Arabs to-day, but once converted the Arabs after centuries of oppression may become among the most devout, such as the pagans of Black Africa who after having been liberated from animism were the most gracious Catholics.
     
    Saint Augustine might not have been an Arab, but he surely was of that fiber.
     


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    « Reply #1 on: August 30, 2012, 08:36:24 AM »
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  • Arabs are from Arabia, and the Maghreb of St. Augustine's time had not yet been invaded by Arabs (so far as I know)


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    « Reply #2 on: August 30, 2012, 08:42:29 AM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    Arabs are from Arabia, and the Maghreb of St. Augustine's time had not yet been invaded by Arabs (so far as I know)


    plenty of whiteish people around.......
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #3 on: August 31, 2012, 01:17:10 PM »
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    He accepted Muslim children in his schools, taught them Catechism as to all other pupils, but refrained to convert then although those little Muslim children cried during Mass for not be able to receive communion.


      Why?  :cry:

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    « Reply #4 on: August 31, 2012, 06:24:33 PM »
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  • I have always read that St. Augustine was a Berber.  I must admit that I have only a vague idea what that means.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    « Reply #5 on: August 31, 2012, 07:12:06 PM »
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  •  The Berbers have inhabited North Africa for thousands of years. There have been many theories regarding their origin, that they may be related to the ancient Egyptians, to the Basque people, even to the ancient Iberians & Celts &c., I don't profess to know which, if any of these are accurate. In appearance they would appear to be not that much different from the European mediterranean races, according to the 1911 edition of the encyclopaedia britannica, they would, if dressed in European clothing, pass unchallenged as Europeans.

     Despite a common religion, it would appear that in many, perhaps most areas wherein they predominate, there hasn't been any great admixture with Arabs. The Berber language, whilst showing a certain affinity to the semitic languages is yet distinct. The various dialects differ from one another about as much as the Romanic languages, Castilian, Portuguese, French, Italian &c.. The article in the 1911 encyclopaedia goes into much more detail. There is no article on them, as such, in the old Catholic Encyclopaedia at New Advent, tho' they are briefly touched on in passing in some of the other articles.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 31, 2012, 07:17:28 PM »
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  • Very informative, Cuthbert.  Thanks.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #7 on: September 01, 2012, 05:29:32 AM »
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    He accepted Muslim children in his schools, taught them Catechism as to all other pupils, but refrained to convert then although those little Muslim children cried during Mass for not be able to receive communion.


      Why?  :cry:


    Perhaps since they were children they would need their parents permission which would not be forthcoming. Furthermore, the muslims are a major force in West Africa and any controversy over conversions may have affected his apostolate. The situation is not quite the same today. Nuns in some Mumbai convents not only do not admit muslim girls to religious instruction classes, but they afford special areas to say their daily prayers, called, I think, Namaaz.