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Offline LaramieHirsch

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Apparition that supports SSPX?
« on: September 24, 2014, 12:00:52 PM »
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  • Honest question:  Are there any apparitions or messages from Heaven that supports SSPX?  
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    Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.  - Aristotle


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    Apparition that supports SSPX?
    « Reply #1 on: September 24, 2014, 12:31:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: LaramieHirsch
    Honest question:  Are there any apparitions or messages from Heaven that supports SSPX?  


    You missed your chance for this question--62myer has been checked out and is no longer in the building.


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    Apparition that supports SSPX?
    « Reply #2 on: September 24, 2014, 12:46:51 PM »
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    Quote from: LaramieHirsch
    Honest question:  Are there any apparitions or messages from Heaven that supports SSPX?  


    You missed your chance for this question--62myer has been checked out and is no longer in the building.


    Why do you say that?  Was he familiar with apparitions or something?
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    Apparition that supports SSPX?
    « Reply #3 on: September 24, 2014, 01:59:38 PM »
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  • The closest thing I can think of is Our Lady of Good Success. In 1634, Our Lady spoke of "the Prelate" who would come to restore the priesthood in a future crisis. Some think that this refers to Archbishop Lefebvre.
    He came to pay a debt He didn't owe.
    Because we owe a debt we cannot pay.

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    Apparition that supports SSPX?
    « Reply #4 on: September 24, 2014, 02:03:06 PM »
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  • I remember that this subject has been discussed before on this forum.
    Do a search.


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    Apparition that supports SSPX?
    « Reply #5 on: September 24, 2014, 02:15:32 PM »
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  • Tradition is what supported the sspx.

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    Apparition that supports SSPX?
    « Reply #6 on: September 24, 2014, 02:19:02 PM »
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  • I'm not so sure "the Prelate" that our Lady of Good Success speaks of is Lefebvre.

    I found that possibility discussed here:

    http://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/F046_Prelate.html
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    Apparition that supports SSPX?
    « Reply #7 on: September 24, 2014, 02:27:28 PM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    I remember that this subject has been discussed before on this forum.
    Do a search.


    Why the thumbs down!  was just being brief.  This subject was discussed
    before on this forum. Nothing wrong in recommending a search.


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    Apparition that supports SSPX?
    « Reply #8 on: September 24, 2014, 02:34:58 PM »
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    I remember that this subject has been discussed before on this forum.
    Do a search.


    Why the thumbs down!  was just being brief.  This subject was discussed
    before on this forum. Nothing wrong in recommending a search.


    My fault on that one.  Sorry about that.  Using a mobile device.
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    Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.  - Aristotle

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    Apparition that supports SSPX?
    « Reply #9 on: September 24, 2014, 03:04:00 PM »
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    I'm not so sure "the Prelate" that our Lady of Good Success speaks of is Lefebvre.

    I found that possibility discussed here:

    http://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/F046_Prelate.html


    I'm actually pretty sure that Our Lady is NOT speaking of Archbishop Lefebvre here, based on the specific things Our Lady predicted that this prelate would do.

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    Apparition that supports SSPX?
    « Reply #10 on: September 24, 2014, 09:58:47 PM »
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  • I think the late Fr Henri La Praz of the SSPX had a vision either of his own tombstone or that of Archbishop Lefebvre. He was still alive at the time of the 1988 Consecrations and did not oppose them. In an Angelus article some years ago, he claimed that the concept of Married Deacons went against Tradition. The SSPX Asia website had something on him.


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    Apparition that supports SSPX?
    « Reply #11 on: September 24, 2014, 11:56:39 PM »
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  • I still have yet to see any apparition or any messages that supports a splinter group of any kind, be it SSPX or Sedevacantism.  

    I am truly and honestly looking for such a prophetic message.  

    Check this out that I found:

    Marie-Julie Jahenny told a prophecy from God that reads"


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    I give you a WARNING. The disciples who are not of My Gospel are now working hard to remake according to their ideas and under the influence of the enemy of souls a MASS that contains words that are ODIOUS in My sight.


    For a minute, I thought that perhaps this statement may have declared the Novus Ordo Mass as not a Mass at all, and that the start of a truer splinter group would follow.  

    However, upon reading it again carefully, we see that the Mass has become a "Mass that contains words that are odious," but a Mass nonetheless.  So, even though the words are odious to God Almighty, it is still a Mass.  


    Yet, if we read further, we see the following from Marie-Julie Jahenny's prophecy:

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    When the fatal hour arrives when the faith of my priests is put to the test, it will be (these texts) that will be celebrated in this SECOND period ... The FIRST period is (the one) of my priesthood which exists since Me. The SECOND is (the one) of the persecution when the ENEMIES of the Faith and of Holy Religion (will impose their formulas) in the book of the second celebration ... These infamous spirits are those who crucified Me and are awaiting the kingdom of THE NEW MESSIAH.

    Many of My holy priests will refuse this book sealed with the words of the abyss.  Unfortunately amongst them are those who will accept, it will be used.


    So, okay.  Enemies of the faith are announced.  Those who impose their formulas in the book of the second celebration are enemies of the faith, and it will be "unfortunate" that priests will accept it.  

    Also, true priests are announced.  The true priesthood that existed since Jesus is the one in which the priests actually have faith in God, and that priesthood existed before the period of the second celebration (our Novus Ordo).  But also, God's "holy priests" will actively "refuse" the odious new Mass.  Which is still a Mass.  At no time in this prophecy has it been declared not to be a Mass.    


    But the legitimacy of the Mass is not the topic in this thread.  It is SSPX and sedevacantism.  


    ...I just found this.  Look at this.  On May 10, 1904, she prophesied this:

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    They won't stop at this hateful and sacrilegious road. They will go further to compromise all at once and in one go, the Holy Church, the clergy and the faith of My children... (There will be) a dispersion of the pastors by the Church itself; real pastors who will be replaced by others formed by Hell, initiated in all vices, all iniquities, perfidious, who will cover souls with filth...new preachers of new sacraments, new temples, new baptisms, new confraternities...


    So, assuming that we're talking about the Novus Ordo liberal Church Mass, God calls it a hateful and sacrilegious road.  An event of compromise occurs.  And then...there is a dispersion of pastors by the Church itself.  

    So...okay, we might perhaps assume that the pastors who are faithful to the true priesthood since Jesus are those priests who've maintained the Catholic Church's traditions, and that they've been dispersed.  

    But I have yet to find anything discussing them starting a true remnant sect (such as the SSPX), or going guerilla style--such as sedevacantism.

    True priests who are struggling to hold onto the Faith are even in the "conciliar" Church.  I know of at least a half dozen or more.      

    So far, however, we get a BIIIIIIIG warning against--what I believe to be--the Novus Ordo Mass.  It is not declared a non-Mass, but it seems to be rather deconstructive to the cause of our faith.


    Anyone have any more?
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    Apparition that supports SSPX?
    « Reply #12 on: September 25, 2014, 07:48:48 AM »
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  • I know that no one can answer this question with more than just speculation, but I can't help but wonder why heaven does not send us another "Miracle of the Sun" to a Traditional Catholic child or how about a St. Padre Pio who is a current Traditional Priest?  Seems like heaven does not wish to see Tradition explode with standing room only chapels.  Truth be told, many children of Traditional Catholic Families from 20 years ago no longer practice the Traditional Catholic faith.  Some of the Traditional priests I've spoken with over the years report that their families practiced Tradition in their younger years but many have fallen away.  Why?  What went wrong?  Was the allure of the world to strong or the battle to demanding????

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    « Reply #13 on: September 25, 2014, 07:59:32 AM »
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  • world too strong, and battle too difficult. also, tiger priests we knew twenty years ago, became mere pussycats.

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    « Reply #14 on: September 25, 2014, 03:43:17 PM »
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  • There was a published transcript of an exorcism--I think a Swiss or four Swiss priests some time ago?  I think it was on the old  Seattle Catholic about 9 years ago...at any rate, if I recall there was strong support for SSPX forced out of the possessed man.  Sorry this is all vague and sketchy, but someone with good research skills could likely find it and discern its worth.