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« on: July 28, 2013, 09:22:02 PM »
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  • I want to call your attention to a common interpretation of the Apocalipsis given by Fr. Castellani which applies very well to the actual crisis inside the SSPX:

    1- The 7 trompets of the Apocalipsis refer to the 7 mayor heresies along the history of the Catholich Church, between the 1st and the 2nd coming of Our Lord JesusChrist. The last heresy number 7 is  Modernism. The Great Harlot fornicating with the Kings of the eath is the Vat II new religión (this interpretation is ours). All those who follow or compromise with the harlot are called fornicators. The 140,000 virgins who follow the Lamb (Our Lord), are those who have not been stained in anyway by the false religión of the harlot. All these brings the great light that it is at the doctrinal level that one becomes reyected because unfaithfulness to Our Lord. The SSPX has not yet married the harlot, but it is already boyfriend, trying to marry her. If it is already a mortal sin to look at with lust a women; with how much gravity will be judge he who wants to marry a harlot who is not Catholic? Therefore it does not matter that the SSPX has not yet made an agreemeent with Rome, the SSPX has already sinned in her heart and in his courting the harlot.
             Cardinal Pie said: " It is at the doctrinal level that the battles are won or lost and what decides the future; to wait to see the consecuences to react,
    it will be already to late to fight, this was the error of catholics at the XIX century in front of the errors of the french revolution".
               It is clear, the SSPX as institution has betrayed already Our Lord. At the individual level, those priests who have not reacted strongly yet, have a very heavy complicity in the betrayal.

    2.- We read in the Apocalipsis that the 2 witness who will fight against the Antichist will be defeated by him. How then can the SSPX claim proudly that she can not be defeated? She has been already been defeated, that is the reality.  
    VIVA CRISTO REY!

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    « Reply #1 on: July 28, 2013, 11:41:57 PM »
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  • Behold the explanation of Father Castellani regarding the vision of the Apocalipsis concerning the "Great Harlot":

    In Sacred Scriptures, women is a symbol for "religion".

    "The harlot" is the religion being corrupted.

    "The harlot" will be at the service of the Antichrist.

    She will be the human part of the Church hiding, adulterating and persecuting the truth.

    In the Bible is called "prostitution" to the adulterous marriage between the Church and the world.

    The Great Harlot is the catholic religion changed, she will the adulterous false church at the end of times.

    The Apocalipsis mentions that she will be fornicating with kings, meaning that religion will be placed at the service of the kingdoms of the Antichrist. And by that very fact she will be serving other god. It is called idolatry.

    About 100 times in Sacred Scriptures "harlot" equals "idolatry".

    "And I saw the women drunk with the blood of martyrs" says de Apocalipsis. The text means that this false religion (VAT II) will use the reputation of the dead saints while at the same time will persecute the living saints.

    All this explanation leads to justify calling the council VAT II the "Great Harlot" of the Apocalipsis.
    VIVA CRISTO REY!


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    « Reply #2 on: July 29, 2013, 02:50:29 AM »
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    In English the word is Apocalypse.


    The last book of the Bible is the Apocalypse of St. John.  


     "...doctrinal level that one becomes reyected because unfaithfulness to Our Lord."

    I have no idea what you mean by "reyected."  Is it rejected?   Or re-elected?



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    « Reply #3 on: July 29, 2013, 02:59:27 AM »
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    I think your messages are very interesting, Enoc, but they unfortunately
    fail to put your points across due the the shortcomings of how they are
    rendered here.  You're touching on some pretty heavy stuff and it would
    be far too easy to derive a variety of conflicting interpretations of the
    words you have here.  


    Am I supposed to know who Fr. Castellani is????  
    You're making me feel inadequate, Enoc.  And I don't think that was your
    intention.  



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    « Reply #4 on: July 29, 2013, 03:11:10 AM »
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    Okay, I think I'm picking it up now.  The tuning is still fuzzy but at least
    I'm getting pieces of clear channel.  I'm on a boat adrift at sea and
    the radio isn't working too well.  Lots of static and hissing and popping.


    I spoke to an important person today and it was quite a treat.  I would
    like to thank him for his time, and for his willingness to spend a few
    extra minutes with me, even though a lot of what I had to say was
    things he didn't want to hear.  


    It seems to me that what you are saying here, Enoc, is closely tied to
    the answers this important person gave me, and I would like to know
    more of your message.  Do you have a lot more, or are you pretty
    much summarizing the whole thing right here?



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    « Reply #5 on: July 29, 2013, 04:00:57 AM »
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    The SSPX has not yet married the harlot, but it is already boyfriend, trying to marry her. If it is already a mortal sin to look at with lust a women; with how much gravity will be judge he who wants to marry a harlot who is not Catholic? Therefore it does not matter that the SSPX has not yet made an agreemeent with Rome, the SSPX has already sinned in her heart and in his courting the harlot.
    Cardinal Pie said: " It is at the doctrinal level that the battles are won or lost and what decides the future; to wait to see the consecuences to react,
    it will be already to late to fight, this was the error of catholics at the XIX century in front of the errors of the french revolution".
    It is clear, the SSPX as institution has betrayed already Our Lord. At the individual level, those priests who have not reacted strongly yet, have a very heavy complicity in the betrayal.



    Is that the same as this.......?

    The SSPX has not yet married the harlot, but is already the
    harlot's boyfriend, that is, trying to marry her.  If it is already
    a mortal sin to look with lust at a woman, with how much
    gravity will he be judged, who wants to marry a non-Catholic
    harlot?  Therefore, it does not matter that the SSPX has not
    yet made an untoward agreement with Rome, for the SSPX
    has already sinned in her heart, by way of this courting of the
    harlot of apostate Rome.



    I'm pretty sure that is what you would like to say, Enoc, because it really
    makes a lot of sense.  But it seems to me that this is a very deep and also
    important doctrine, above, and it really needs to be taken apart and put
    back together in a variety of ways, so that our dense minds can appreciate
    it better.  What you have to say is not easy to accept, and it is quite the
    revolting thought for the rampant Accordista mindset.
    Your words are
    very much in harmony with the Resistance and more than that, they seem
    to go into that region where the faint-hearted fear to tread.


    Cardinal Pie said: "It is at the doctrinal level that the battles
    are won or lost, and what decides the future.  One who
    waits to see the consequences before he reacts would be
    already too late to engage the fight.  This was the error of
    the Catholics in the XIXth century, in the wake of the errors
    of the French Revolution,"  for they should have known
    better, having already had the experience of the Revolution.



    This principle shines brightly on, first and foremost, Bishop Tissier de
    Mallerais, who should be no stranger to the lessons of the French Revolution,
    since he is, after all, French, and yet he abstains from action, and he
    recommends that priests of the SSPX follow his example and therefore
    likewise abstain;  and he has become, unfortunately, the model for however
    many good SSPX priests there are, who look up to His Lordship for the
    example he proffers, from his virtual self-imposed prison, both physically and
    allegorically, in the Windy City.



    Musical interlude:
    Gordon Lightfoot, "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald".......



    It is clear, the SSPX as institution has already betrayed Our
    Lord.  At the individual level, those priests who have not
    reacted strongly yet, have a very heavy complicity in this
    still-worsening betrayal.



    At the individual level, those priests who have not come forth to make their
    proper opposition to the false teachings of the Menzingen-denizens, make
    for themselves an ever-worsening lot by way of their adherence to the bad
    example of +TdM and +AdG, if not HEBF himself, who leads the apostasy.  



    Thank you, Enoc.








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    « Reply #6 on: July 29, 2013, 08:46:47 AM »
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  • I want to thank Neil Obstat for putting in good english our post.
    I want to apologize for our bad english which is not our first languaje.
    I accept all the corrections to my text made by Neil Obstat. Thank you again.

    Father Castellani was a Prophet and the best theologian Argentina had in the
    XX century. He met Archbishop Lefebvre and he congratulated him for his work and he prophetized: "He will be a great light for Argentina". Due to his solid doctrine he was persecuted, suspended "ad divinis", etc. He was born in 1899 and died en 1981. He wrote 60 books, about all kind of topics, and all of them outstanding. Unfortunatily no one of his books was ever, I believe, translated into english.

    He also said that the measure in order to know how much someone loves the truth is to see how much someone hates error. So, we can say that the measure someone is faithful to Our Lord can be seen by the measure someone fights against the Devil. It is like a way to know the tree by its fruits.

    Our commentary was just a summary about what Fr. Castellani says about the vision of the "Harlot" in the Apocalypse. I will try to post more thoughts about this topic afterwards.
    VIVA CRISTO REY!

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    « Reply #7 on: July 29, 2013, 11:24:23 AM »
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    Enoc, what you have already said about Fr. Castellani is highly
    intriguing.  Can you give any more details of his life, or, can you
    perhaps post the Espanol version of his own autobiography, if
    there is one to be found?  

    It seems to me, at first glance, that you might be sitting on
    a goldmine of important information, and I can hardly imagine
    that there are not a small number of people who would be
    willing to help translate it.  

    For example, I know of a team of historians who are eager
    to take on projects like this, although 60 books would be
    too much to undertake all at once.  But if there is one book
    in particular that would be key to begin with, they might
    be prone to be in touch with you in that regard.  

    What you have here could be highly consequential for the
    goals of the Resistance.  

    Don't you think so, Matthew?  


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    « Reply #8 on: July 29, 2013, 11:27:40 AM »
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  • Here you have one of his books in English

    http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/141645


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    « Reply #9 on: July 29, 2013, 04:23:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: Cristian
    Here you have one of his books in English

    http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/141645




    Thank you, Cristian.  

    Here is one of the chapters from the book that members might
    find immediately interesting. This translation leaves Fr. Castellani
    making quotes of Scripture that are not exactly what the Douay-
    Rheims has, even though I expect that is the only version he
    used.  Perhaps he had a Spanish translation of it, though.  
    However, I have been told there was never any official such
    published, but there were several quasi-imitations in Spanish.  
    Correct me if I'm wrong.  

    Anyway, I have taken the liberty of providing the actual DRV
    quotes after each of Fr.'s, and I have included the chapter and
    verse references, which he habitually omits.  It is my experience
    that seeing how this work is dated 1950, it was still
    commonplace at that time for many Catholic authors to make
    minor adaptations to the literal words of Scripture, so as to
    make it more easily work, in context, to most effectively
    support their message; and this actually had been very effective
    overall, for example, in preaching, when the listeners are drawn
    in to the sermon and pay attention better when the words have
    a contiguous flow to them, however, when the actual and literal
    quotes are used, the listener tends to be put off by the lack of
    continuity of style, and this effects the occurrence of them
    losing attention, being distracted, or perhaps not being able to
    easily understand the message intended by the preacher.  See
    for yourself, here below, where Fr.'s Scripture quotes actually
    sound better in their places than do the literal quotes which I
    have subsequently provided.

    This chapter immediately got my attention because the phrase
    "The signs of the times" was one of the little gems of Scripture
    that the Modernists at Vat.II used to promote their program of
    affiliation with the unclean spirit of Vat.II. So this is a topic that
    anyone, who would be well-equipped to face the challenges of
    this same unclean spirit of Vat.II, would be well-advised to study
    thoroughly.  Additionally, I have repaired a few minor typos which
    are too mundane to note with the brackets, misspelling of words
    and reversal of modifiers so typical of Spanish>English translations.



    The signs of the times.
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    All prophetic books are necessarily obscure and are only completely clear once the prophecies are fulfilled. For instance, the Book of Revelation includes a prophecy of every persecution the Church would suffer, typically in the first (Nero’s) and the last one (by Antichrist), followed by God’s timely punishments and Christ’s victories.

    Two thousand years after the First Coming, being as we are closer to the prophecies’ fulfillment and in that sense better placed because of our position in time, it is only natural that we should understand them improvingly. “Shut up the words—says the Angel to Daniel—even to the time of the end”. But an Angel says to St John: “Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand”.

    So it is not rash to think that Holhauser or Lacunza have deduced certain things from Revelation that the first Fathers did not understand as clearly, all the more so when they interpret the book in perfect harmony with all the Saintly Fathers;  not inventing, but unrolling and getting to the bottom of matters, which is the proper method of developing Christian Doctrine.

    Anyway, the first Christians clearly understood eschatology in their own terms and times—the proof being that the believing Jews flew from Jerusalem to Pella as soon as they felt Armageddon was upon them when they saw that Titus’ Second Army was laying siege to the city. After that the book was shut for them. The interpretations and commentaries multiplied in such manner that to read them all and try to compose them is a real pain in the neck—as anyone can find out reading Alcázar, or Cornelius á Lapide for instance, as I have been doing these days.

    Infidels have always thought these prophecies to be delirious nonsense. Lukewarm Christians avoid them. And yet, the Book of Revelation makes a special promise to those who keep them: “Blessed is he that keeps those things which are written therein”.
    [The actual quote is: “Blessed is he, that readeth and heareth the words of this prophecy;   and keepeth those things which are written in it; for the time is at hand” (Apoc. i. 3).]
    But when a prophecy is fulfilled, then those who have kept it in their hearts—and only them—easily see that this is their realization and cannot be anything else. So happened to Gamaliel and every Jew who came to believe in the First Coming. “O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky;  but can ye not discern the signs of the times?” [The actual, and extended quote is:  “1 And there came to him the Pharisees and Sadduccees tempting:  and they asked him to shew them a sign from heaven. 2 But he answered and said to them:  When it is evening, you say:  It will be fair weather, for the sky is red. 3 And in the morning:  To-day there will be a storm, for the sky is red and lowering. You know then how to discern the face of the sky:  and can you not know the signs of the times?  A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign:  and a sign shall not be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.  And he left them, and went away” (Mat. xvi. 1-4).]

    Bossuet’s remark to the effect that “a prophecy may be fulfilled without its contemporaries knowing it” is all right as long as one understands it properly. If it’s taken to mean “without all contemporaries acknowledging it” it would be nothing but balderdash so long as it would, in fact, be tantamount to saying that “the Church wouldn’t know it”. If such a thing were true the prophecies would be quite futile, nothing but mummery, or at the very least, unworthy of God’s wisdom and compassion. “Now learn a parable of the fig tree. When his branch is tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: so likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at doors”. [The actual quote is:  “32 And from the fig tree learn a parable: When the branch thereof is now tender, and the leaves come forth, you know that summer is nigh. 33 So you also, when you shall see all these things, know ye that it is nigh, even at the doors. 34 Amen I say to you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass, but my words shall not pass” (Matt. xxiv. 32-35).]




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    « Reply #10 on: July 29, 2013, 04:40:57 PM »
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    I want to thank Neil Obstat for putting in good english our post.
    I want to apologize for our bad english which is not our first languaje.
    I accept all the corrections to my text made by Neil Obstat. Thank you again.


    You're very welcome, Enoc, de nada. El placer es mío.

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    Father Castellani was a Prophet and the best theologian Argentina had in the
    XX century. He met Archbishop Lefebvre and he congratulated him for his work and he prophecised: "He will be a great light for Argentina". Due to his solid doctrine he was persecuted, suspended "ad divinis", etc. He was born in 1899 and died en 1981. He wrote 60 books, about all kind of topics, and all of them outstanding. Unfortunately no one of his books was ever, I believe, translated into english.

    He also said that the measure in order to know how much someone loves the truth is to see how much someone hates error. So, we can say that the measure [by which] someone is faithful to Our Lord can be seen by the measure someone fights against the Devil. It is like a way to know the tree by its fruits.


    Our commentary was just a summary about what Fr. Castellani says about the vision of the "Harlot" in the Apocalypse. I will try to post more thoughts about this topic afterwards.



    Your lingual slant, Enoc, is actually quite charming.  Please
    don't be concerned that anyone will criticize you on CI for
    your "bad English!"  If it ever happens, just let me know
    and I'll be happy to assist you!  



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    « Reply #11 on: July 29, 2013, 04:41:26 PM »
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    Here you have one of his books in English

    http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/141645




    Thank you, Cristian.


    You are welcome.
     
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    This translation leaves Fr. Castellani
    making quotes of Scripture that are not exactly what the Douay-
    Rheims has, even though I expect that is the only version he
    used.  Perhaps he had a Spanish translation of it, though.  


    Well, this translation is not of Castellani, but rather (I think) of some conservative, who is alive now.
    And I`ve no idea where he got the translation. Perhaps some modern version? I don´t know.

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    However, I have been told there was never any official such
    published, but there were several quasi-imitations in Spanish.  
    Correct me if I'm wrong.  


    I don´t think there was ever a translation from the Douay. It wouldn´t have been a good idea either. We had very good translations both from the Vulgate and specially from the Hebrew and Greek.

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    Anyway, I have taken the liberty of providing the actual DRV
    quotes after each of Fr.'s, and I have included the chapter and
    verse references, which he habitually omits.


    Very good idea!


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    « Reply #12 on: July 29, 2013, 04:43:30 PM »
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  • Anyway here is another one which I specially love... much more than the other one (actually I don´t like the other one :)...

    http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/174468

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    « Reply #13 on: July 29, 2013, 04:58:27 PM »
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    Anyway here is another one which I specially love... much more than the other one (actually I don´t like the other one :)...

    http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/174468


    Cristian,

    Thank you for posting this book.  It is one more that I will add to books that I hope to read.  
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    « Reply #14 on: July 29, 2013, 05:16:00 PM »
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    In English the ... last book of the Bible is the Apocalypse of St. John.  



    That's the Douay-Rheims and traditional Catholic term, whilst the protestants
    and other non-Catholics prefer "the Book of Revelation" or just "Revelation."

    It might be a bit disconcerting that Fr. Castellani uses "Revelation" except
    for the fact that he is from Argentina, and thus using the resources
    commonplace in the Spanish language, uses a word in place of "Apocalypse"
    that is widely used by non-Catholics in the English-speaking world.  He does
    say "Apocalitis" (or something like that - I have to restart my system right
    now so I'll lose this post if I don't put it up before I can check for the actual
    word(s) that Fr. is seen using in his book) from time to time, so maybe that's
    a Spanish adaptation, which, if so, would perhaps explain why he is wont to
    accept "Revelation" in order to not appear too strange to any foreign
    readers who may come along, LIKE ME!  


     
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    "...doctrinal level that one becomes reyected because unfaithfulness to Our Lord."

    I have no idea what you mean by "reyected."  Is it rejected?   Or re-elected?



    Can you say what word you meant to give with your "reyected?"


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