*Raises hand* Me too!

I can't really say why anyone would hate Mrs. Anderson except that many people fued in forum discussions and she might have made a few outright enemies over the years.

But, I can give you a list of factual elements as to why someone might not believe her.

- She posted about these messages while denying that she, herself was the alleged seer. Once she admitted that everything she was saying was in fact about herself, her credibility dropped significantly because she had denied it previously.

- The messages as outlined in the "official" report contain factual errors. For example, the date of the first visit was stated as Sunday, April 24, 2004, but that day was a Saturday. It also mentioned obtaining grace for Pope Benedict XVI who was not elected until the following year.

- The messages are intended for Bp Fellay and the Society of St Pius X. As recently as last weekend, it was reported that Mrs. Anderson was visiting with the priests of the Resistance in Kentucky in order to discuss the alleged messages from Our Lady. She's also reported to have traveled with Bp Williamson to visit other Resistance priests in Mexico. What can these priests who have been removed from the SSPX possibly do to convince Bp Fellay that he should begin a Rosary crusade as requested? What would be the point of spending such time with these priests (and bishop) when there are numerous Society priests who have a better relationship with Bp Fellay, the only person who can carry out the request at this time?

- There have been no miracles associated with this apparition to prove its authenticity.

- Bp Williamson states that Our Lady blessed the first Rosary Crusade of Bp Fellay and that it was an "unexpected success". Here were the intentions of that crusade:

1. To obtain from Heaven for Pope Benedict XVI the strength required to completely free up the Mass of all time, called the Tridentine Mass.
2. For the return of the Social Kingship of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
3. For the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

Was the crusade in fact a success?

The messages said that Our Lady would not bless the second crusade of Bp Fellay. Was it any less of a success than the first?

Thanks so much!
So, she admitted for certain that SHE was the seer?

Why doesn't Bp. Willamson then name her in his EC's?

Because she is too shy, according to His Excellency.

and also why does everyone hate her so much?

Nobody hates her.  (although I doubt you meant the word in its sin against the 5th Commandment sense)

In fact, I am sure a lot of people love her.

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Apparently, I am late to the party on Bp. Williamson's EC on the apparitions for a Rosary crusade for the consecration of Russia and the seer who had them.

I simply cannot wade through 68 pages of pointless bickering and talking about things I have no knowledge of without wanting to jump out a window, or perhaps drink heavily...haha.

Can SOMEONE please BRIEFLY summarize who in the world Dawn Marie is, why would anyone believe her to be the "seer", and also why does everyone hate her so much?


Thanks so much from myself and probably many other lurkers who do not spend regular time here at CI and thanks for getting me up to speed.

Basically 75% which is made up of Sedes of various proportions disagree with anything that is in agreement  with these apparitions because it mentions the Pope and that’s a no no, you see see

About another 10% are also against but they are from the SSPX and they are worried it could give the Society a bad name, so anything positive about the apparitions is a no no, you see see.

Now there is 10% that neither take the Sede nor neoSSPX  posistions (use to be more but for one reason or other they have left) who support or take the wait and see position. Truth will always prevail in the end so why damage people’s reputation especially a Bishop who one is supposed to support, you see see , no no.

Oh the other 5% just like to stir and not worth commenting about. But if you really honestly want to know what it is all about just read Bishop Williamsons newsletter like we all do and don’t worry about the bickering and talking about things you have no knowledge. There I have summed up  all the pages in a dozen lines , surely that deserves a like. You see see, no no, oh well never mind .

Thank you for breaking down the perception, I appreciate that.

I would count myself amongst the 10% that is not sede nor neoSSPX who support the Bishop and the idea we should wait and see.

I personally feel it is quite a limb for him to have hung out upon, and I do not think he would do so lightly. So, he must take it very seriously for some reason.

I do subscribe to his EC's and when I first read them I chuckled to myself about the problem it causes the sedes to have Our Lady talking about the Pope. Kinda funny when you think about it.

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and also why does everyone hate her so much?

Nobody hates her.  (although I doubt you meant the word in its sin against the 5th Commandment sense)

In fact, I am sure a lot of people love her.

Coulda fooled me! It seems an awful lot of vitriol is slung her way, and that is why I was wondering.

I guess I was wondering if the vitriol is because she claims an apparition, or if it occurred before the apparition because she had some unpopular position on something.

A good place to begin understanding might be to study what the Church has always taught regarding the endless stream of people claiming to speak for Heaven, or read a little of St. John of the Cross.

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I guess I was wondering if the vitriol is because she claims an apparition, or if it occurred before the apparition because she had some unpopular position on something.

I would think the vitriol you perceive is merely criticism. Most normal people would not consider it bitter at all if you knew this "seer" as a poster over the years.

What has been lost, or not mentioned in these threads, is the absolute obnoxiousness of this person as a poster. On the old Angel Queen she managed to embed herself in with that very incestuous group that used to run roughshod over anyone who dared not see everything as they did. Back in the day at AQ, you could be in agreement with someone at a level of 99.9%. But that .1% difference would bring out the posse and before you knew it, you may say something that would get you banned.

Simple disagreements made politely, be myself and many others, were met by rude and nasty posts. And when you would get her in a corner and explain in a nice way how she wasn't necessarily right about something, a guy like gpmtrad would come around and work on you. So honestly, it was not all her fault. It was the nature of that board and I think she has a natural talent for manipulating others. And I mean natural as in garden variety. It wasn't based on any super intelligence or intellectual gifts.  

She also monopolized the board and it was not uncommon for her to make 40 posts per day. Many of us eventually started referring to the board as the Dawn Marie Show. I honestly don't know where she got the time to be so active and still receive visions.

That triggers another thought. I always found it odd that so many women who claim to have large families and also homeschool have so much time for being busy bodies on forums. But that is just an aside. But a topic I have been meaning to broach for quite awhile.

A worthy topic indeed. I am only able to duck in at morning coffee or nap.