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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Msgr. Vigano addresses the Resistance and Civitas
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2022, 02:56:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on August 31, 2022, 02:42:23 PM
    No Holy orders, invalid. Persecution, who is being persecuted?  Invalid men or Jesus Christ!  Jesus is persecuted when His Precious Blood is ignored.

    So it's mutually exclusive that both Our Lord and others might be persecuted also?  Invalid orders, maybe, probably.  But that doesn't change the fact that they're being persecuted, nor does it make anyone who might believe the orders are valid somehow non-Catholic.
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    Re: Msgr. Vigano addresses the Resistance and Civitas
    « Reply #31 on: August 31, 2022, 04:40:45 PM »
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    • IMO Mel Gibson will take care of their woes $$$ and as Vigano said, house them, Mel can do that too. 
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    Re: Msgr. Vigano addresses the Resistance and Civitas
    « Reply #32 on: August 31, 2022, 05:35:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: de Lugo on August 31, 2022, 12:48:33 PM
    I no longer think they are (I may have jumped the gun in voicing that suspicion).

    However, at least as regards Medias-Presse, what is certain is that they have edited the original transcript which I translated (i.e., from resistance Capucins to traditional Capucins).

    But since Medias-Presse has published many articles in the past favorable to the Capucins and the Resistance, I'm wondering why they should cower away from doing so now? 

    The only added element is the link between Msgr. Vigano and the Resistance/Capucins, which is why I suspect it may be Msgr. Vigano requesting the change.  Obviously, I have no way of knowing whether this is the case.
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    Re: Msgr. Vigano addresses the Resistance and Civitas
    « Reply #33 on: August 31, 2022, 07:14:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on August 31, 2022, 05:35:21 PM
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    Keep in mind that this is entirely speculative on my part, but if it is true, it may be that what l'Abbe Chazal calls the "Vigano effect" (i.e., He appeals to almost all camps) may be causing him not to want to alienate some sectors of support (e.g., conciliar indultists, Ecclesia Dei, FSSPX Nicodemuses, many sedevacantists) by openly endorsing and aligning himself with just one sector. 

    Knowing of all the factional rivalry within l'tradition, it may be that he is seeking to circuŠ¼vent being co-opted by any particular group, even though his writings seem mostly (but not completely) aligned with Resistance positions.

    "A rising tide floats all boats."

    This could be the strategy of a lifelong politician, who understands how the game is played.  Purists in all camps will not be happy, but he will continue to erode confidence in the conciliar fraud, and undermine it.
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