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Any info on Father James Doran?
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2016, 03:28:39 AM »
Quote from: RogerThat
I'm probably the only person here who was actually raised at a Maronite parish and believe I can give some more info about how crazy this is.

The Maronites lost everything during the tenure of Cardinal Sfeir, their previous Patriarch. They are now, mostly, a political organization in Lebanon, unfortunately. Church leaders spend more times meeting with politicians than in prayer. In the early 1990s, Cardinal Sfeir SINGLE HANDEDLY re-wrote the entire Maronite Missal. After the '90s, most Maronite masses were in the vernacular instead of Aramaic. It's very hard to explain the influence and role of the Maronite church if you are not Lebanese. The Maronite Church has tremendous influence on state politics. Currently, Cardinal Rai is charged with finding a new president. Can you imagine a church leader vetting politicians?
 
To illustrate how serious the issue is, many faithful Maronites in Beirut actually went to Opus Dei and asked the Prelate to start a mass center in the Beirut because they were so desperate for orthodoxy and Faith. There are now 3 Opus Dei priests in Beirut that travel to different mass centers and celebrate latin masses because there is such a desire for faith and good catechism in the country.
Other faithful Maronites (both in Leabnon and in the diaspora) now attend Armenian Catholic or Melkite churches because they are so fed up with the politics of the Maronite Church. Both the Armenian and Melkite Churches are headquartered in Lebanon as well.

I know the Armenian and Melkite Catholic Churches are still very orthodox, both in Lebanon and in the US. The Armenian mass is actually very similar to the Tridentine mass, with Psalm 42 at the foot of the alter, the final gospel reading, priest facing the main altar, etc. Some very interesting history


And if I remember correctly, Lebanon was majority Christian until the cινιℓ ωαr, when most of them left for France and the US.

Any info on Father James Doran?
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2016, 06:01:16 AM »
Quote from: AJNC
could even  quote Mahatma Gandhi.
 


Boy....what a great qualification!  :confused1:

With this and Mathew's discription of him, he sounds quite liberal to me.


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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2016, 11:24:14 AM »
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Coming to the question as to why he has not joined the Resistance I can only hazard a guess. He spontaneously mentioned that he had not approved the priestly ordination of someone of mutual acquaintance, but was over ruled (presumably by Bp Williamson, though he did not say). The two MC priests were in that same batch I reckon. Perhaps maybe, the Maronites will be better for his sanity, although the post by Rogerthat is quite ominous.


Would it be a shame if Fr. Doran didn't join the Resistance because he thinks it's too closely linked with Fr. Pfeiffer?

Though Fr. Doran is an intelligent man and should certainly know better: that the worldwide Resistance is much bigger than the "whole" SSPX-MC, which is actually quite small now.

Any info on Father James Doran?
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2016, 12:17:41 PM »
I knew him very well and also liked him a lot.  My husband still quotes his sermons which were always long but we never minded the length because he was always so interesting.  

Sorry to hear this.  Was there no other option for him, or did he just throw in the towel and surrender?

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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2016, 01:07:59 PM »
Another bit of human nature that helps explain Fr. Doran's action to join the Maronites:

Some of you may be familiar with Choleric temperaments, and/or those of Irish heritage.

I'm very familiar with the latter, as it hits kind of close to home.

Let's just say that some families end up with 4 out of 4 or 5 out of 5 children being "leaders", not necessarily successful at life, but independent thinkers, taking the lead even at play, wanting/needing to be in charge, etc.

For example, in a family like this, if one child takes Spanish and masters it, the other kids will CROSS OFF that language like it's not even a possibility (I can't be playing 2nd fiddle to my big brother!) so they'll pick another language: French. Then the 3rd sibling will one-up them both and pick an exotic language like Japanese or Chinese and the 4th child might decide that he won't get into languages at all.

And so on.

Some "alpha males" have a hard time being in a #2 (or lower) position in anything they're involved in.