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Any info on Father James Doran?
« on: June 11, 2016, 09:29:04 PM »
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  • A few months ago I learned that Father James Doran, who used to say Mass in New York for the SSPX was transferred and was supposed to go to New Orleans. However he never went to New Orleans. Instead he disappeared and left the SSPX. That was the last I heard about him until I saw a post on Archbishop Lefebvre Forums 3 yesterday that said he joined the Novus Ordo Maronites.

    He used to be my priest in New York and I was surprised to learn he joined the Novus Ordo because I thought he was traditional and he seemed to have respect for Bishop Williamson even after he was thrown under the bus by Fellay and scorned by many SSPX priests. I though when he went AWOL that he was going to join the resistance.

    So the reason I am posting is to ask the posters here if they have any more information about Father Doran. I thought he was a good priest and I loved him and hope he is doing well. Thank you.
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    Any info on Father James Doran?
    « Reply #1 on: June 11, 2016, 11:29:40 PM »
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  • I searched his name along with "Maronite" and I got a result that he had concelebrated a Maronite Divine Liturgy... interesting that there's bi-ritual (who celebrate Mass in both East and Latin rites) priests in the Society.

    Sad that it's through the Maronites, though...

    A Society priest that could serve both Latin and Byzantine rites would be in excellent shape when the Society inevitably becomes part of Rome.
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    Any info on Father James Doran?
    « Reply #2 on: June 11, 2016, 11:37:55 PM »
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  • Fr. James Doran is now a (novus ordo) Maronite priest.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/St-Anthony-of-The-Desert-Church-Rectory/166952636649308

    I remember he complained about how the Roman Rite wanted its priests to look like "12 year old boys" -- he really preferred to not shave, I could tell. One time he had to go overseas for a trip -- he grew his beard 1 month in advance (he had his excuse! lol)

    That, and he always had a thing for the East.
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    Any info on Father James Doran?
    « Reply #3 on: June 12, 2016, 10:02:53 AM »
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  • I know it is his preference. I hope it is also where God wants him.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 12, 2016, 12:19:03 PM »
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  • Fr. Doran recently spent several days in Australia with Fr. Brendan Arthur (who left the SSPX and returned to his local diocese), with Fr. Doran saying something along the lines of "there was no better place to go?"

    Did Fr. Arthur manage to convince Fr. Doran of the "need" to return to the Conciliar Church?

    This is very hard for me to understand. I have spent less adult years as a Traditional Catholic than Fr. Doran, and yet.... and yet -- he is willing to give it all up for a fake life as a Lebanese priest with a beard in the Conciliarized Maronite rite?

    As much as Fr. Doran admires the East, it isn't him. It's not his true self. It reminds me of a teenager trying to "find himself". But in a man's late 50's, that's kind of sad. It's more like a mid life crisis!

    At first I'm sure everyone is intrigued by this Irish-American with a beard who is soft spoken, well formed and educated, and who knows so much about their culture. But how can he truly make it real? Can he really talk to the children in his flock about how his grandmother used to make (insert Lebanese food here)? And what other Lebanese culture has he experienced personally? For that matter, what Maronite ANYTHING has he experienced personally, before the past few months, I mean? Won't they eventually tire of the novelty? Won't he?

    I used to be fascinated by Japan, its culture, its Anime, the language, and I self-studied Japanese for many years. When I was 19 - 23. But I'm not even part Japanese, so it was all just a "grass is greener on the other side" fascination with the exotic and the different. Such a fascination must needs be short-lived. Eventually you learn that "they have problems too" plus you get USED TO the exotic elements, and they become mundane and boring.

    And I should point out, that even after I entered the Seminary I continued to maintain/study the Japanese language, and I certainly entertained the possibility that I'd be posted in Asia/Japan (because, after all, it isn't every SSPX priest that knows Japanese!) So I can relate somewhat.

    But this isn't even a "Traditional Catholic" Maronite group -- this is mainstream Conciliar Novus Ordo here.

    I should also point out: Fr. Doran, in one of his many "off topic tangents" in Philosophy class, gave his opinion that when the Crisis in the Church is sorted out, the Church won't be bringing everyone to use the Tridentine Mass (the Mass as canonized in the Council of Trent), or even the 1962 Mass. It will be some 1962/Novus Ordo hybrid, since A) there is nothing perfect or final about the Tridentine Mass, and B) the Novus Ordo Missae has been used for too long

    I remember he was applying his rational brain to the Mass, rather than revering Tradition. For example, he criticized the "Ite Missa Est" because the Mass wasn't actually over after that point. How about some reverence for the Tridentine Mass, which organically grew as the fruit of Tradition over many CENTURIES?

    Maybe that phrase is meant as "Go and change the world as saints of God, for you have received great graces at yet another Mass, and you have received of the Fount of Grace, Holiness Itself, so you should go out like lions, terrible to the devil, and help win souls for Christ."

    As opposed to, "Y'all get out of here. The mass is over. It's closing time, bub!"

    Now that he's made this CRAZY move (to return to the Conciliar Church -- his switching Rites is not so much of a problem), I think I need to do a mental purge of various things he taught me in the Seminary...
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    Any info on Father James Doran?
    « Reply #5 on: June 12, 2016, 07:17:13 PM »
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  • Maybe he's just spending time with them and hasn't officially joined.

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    Any info on Father James Doran?
    « Reply #6 on: June 12, 2016, 07:23:56 PM »
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  • I have know Fr. Doran for years, though I have not seen him in two years, the priest with the beard does not look like him.  Is there some verification that is him?  I seen the above Maronite facebook page but there are no names identifying the persons.  Can someone give a current photo of Fr. Doran in 2016 to match photos?

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/St-Anthony-of-The-Desert-Church-Rectory/166952636649308

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    Any info on Father James Doran?
    « Reply #7 on: June 12, 2016, 07:42:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: ignatius
    I have know Fr. Doran for years, though I have not seen him in two years, the priest with the beard does not look like him.  Is there some verification that is him?  I seen the above Maronite facebook page but there are no names identifying the persons.  Can someone give a current photo of Fr. Doran in 2016 to match photos?

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/St-Anthony-of-The-Desert-Church-Rectory/166952636649308


    Fr. Zendejas told me many weeks ago that Fr. Doran decided to go Maronite.

    I didn't ask him how he knew that, but he does have many contacts. He might have spoken with Fr. Doran himself, but I'm not sure.

    Asking for a recent picture is reasonable, but apparently Fr. Doran manages to make himself scarce and keep a very low profile. For a priest ordained as long ago as he was, it's surprising that Google only has ONE image for the man, from when he was newly ordained:


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    Any info on Father James Doran?
    « Reply #8 on: June 12, 2016, 07:53:03 PM »
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  • Here's a pic from when he was newly ordained:

    (That's all Google has, unfortunately! The Internet has really let us down this time.)
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    « Reply #9 on: June 12, 2016, 07:57:36 PM »
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  • That is him.

    This is the html version of the file http://www.stmaron.org/Maronite_Voice_April_2016.pdf.
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    The Maronite Voice
    A Publication of the Maronite Eparchies in the USA
    Volume XII
    Issue No. IV
    April 2016

    Being People of Prayer



    by Leila Vogl
    The weather was too cold for a procession outside down
    the streets of Brooklyn, but we had a beautiful Palm
    Sunday celebration inside the Cathedral this year.
    Before the Divine Liturgy, Bishop Gregory Mansour said a
    few words about the imagery within the Jubilee of Mercy
    logo. Then the Cathedral Youth choir began to sing hymns
    in Arabic, English and Syriac. Approximately thirty of the
    children of the parish of Our Lady of Lebanon, Brooklyn,
    N.Y., participated in different ways during the Divine
    Liturgy, organized by Monsignor James Root, Rector, Mrs.
    Leila Vogl and Subdeacon Norbert Vogl. Marvin Alhaddad,
    age thirteen, amazed everyone by reading the epistle in
    Arabic directly from the Arabic text and Tiffany Chawki, age
    eleven, read the epistle in English. Children of ages ranging
    from four to fourteen from the religion and Arabic classes
    also brought the gifts, distributed peace to the people and
    read the intercessions, ending each intercession by chanting
    "We Pray to You, O Lord." Elias Diab, age twelve, said and
    chanted his intercession in Arabic. Bishop Mansour centered
    his homily around the meaning and modern interpretation of
    "Hosanna" and then, after blessing the palms, led all the
    children in procession through the Year of Mercy Holy Doors
    and around the Church. Msgr. James Root, Father Michel
    Lahoud and Father James Doran concelebrated the Liturgy.
    Subdeacons Norbert Vogl and Peter Frangie assisted.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 12, 2016, 08:31:57 PM »
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  • I guess now is a good time to discuss it, I thought Eastern Rites aren't technically NO since they didn't go through the same Latin VII upheaval. Isn't this why many trads in missions were advised to attend Eastern Rites nearby rather than the NO on their off weeks?

    It doesn't make sense to me that he would leave the SSPX because of its impending conciliarism only to join a currently conciliar group, no matter who they are. Are we to assume this group is traditional? Or traditional enough, anyway, for him to be comfortable there?



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    « Reply #11 on: June 12, 2016, 08:46:57 PM »
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  • There are no "traditional" Maronites. There are no "traditional" Eastern-rite churches anywhere in the United States.

    Do you honestly think the Eastern-rite churches were spared the Revolution because they have an elaborate Liturgy?

    Obviously I am not saying there aren't good individual Eastern-rite priests.


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    « Reply #12 on: June 12, 2016, 08:54:33 PM »
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    I guess now is a good time to discuss it, I thought Eastern Rites aren't technically NO since they didn't go through the same Latin VII upheaval. Isn't this why many trads in missions were advised to attend Eastern Rites nearby rather than the NO on their off weeks?

    It doesn't make sense to me that he would leave the SSPX because of its impending conciliarism only to join a currently conciliar group, no matter who they are. Are we to assume this group is traditional? Or traditional enough, anyway, for him to be comfortable there?



    Remember that human nature is not easy to understand. Sometimes people do things (with regards to the Catholic faith) that have nothing to do with principle but simply expediency.

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    « Reply #13 on: June 12, 2016, 09:13:55 PM »
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  • Quote from: obscurus
    There are no "traditional" Maronites. There are no "traditional" Eastern-rite churches anywhere in the United States.

    Do you honestly think the Eastern-rite churches were spared the Revolution because they have an elaborate Liturgy?

    Obviously I am not saying there aren't good individual Eastern-rite priests.


    Spoken like an individual who understands the Crisis on the Church on a much deeper level.

    Indeed, Vatican II is nothing more (or less) than "letting the World in" to the Church in Her liturgy, outlook, morality, beliefs, culture, etc.

    Those conservative Indulters (for example) who think Vatican II was a huge misunderstanding, or that Vatican II was a good thing that unfortunately went too far, etc. will offer solutions like "go to the Eastern Rite" because they think of everything superficially. They think that Vatican II was a lightning strike freak occurrence that struck the Latin rite church primarily.

    But when you understand that it's all another chapter in Christ vs. the Devil and the World, you would be surprised if the Eastern Rites WEREN'T undergoing the same changes (accommodation to the modern world).

    Let's put it this way -- going to Eastern Rite Liturgy only gets you a different MASS. But it's not about the Mass, it's about the FAITH. Those who truly understand the Crisis and the consequent Traditional Movement know that it's about the FAITH which happens to be very much tied up with the Mass. But it's not primarily about the Mass.
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    « Reply #14 on: June 12, 2016, 09:15:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: obscurus
    There are no "traditional" Maronites. There are no "traditional" Eastern-rite churches anywhere in the United States.

    Do you honestly think the Eastern-rite churches were spared the Revolution because they have an elaborate Liturgy?

    Obviously I am not saying there aren't good individual Eastern-rite priests.


    While I would agree that there are no "traditional" Eastern rite churches in the US (I believe there is a society of "traditional" Ukranian rite priests in the Ukraine that has a relationship with the SSPX. I am not aware of any others.) I think it should be pointed out that the eastern rites, as far as I know, still have true priests and true Bishops and they still have all the true sacraments, unlike the Novus Ordo which most "traditional" Catholics think are at least doubtful or even certainly invalid. To illustrate this, I would never go to confession to a Novus Ordo priest, but if I didn't have access to an SSPX priest or a resistance priest or an SSPV priest or a CMRI priest, I would confess my sins to a Ukranian rite priest and be confident that my sins were actually forgiven. And my sedevacantist firend who goes to the Ukranian rite Church instead of the SSPX agrees as do many of the sedevacantist members of the Te Deum Forum who go to the eastern rites for Mass and the sacraments.

    I have heard that the Maronites in particular of the eastern rites has been the most modernized after Vatican II, but I think they still have true sacraments, although I am not an expert on the eastern rites.
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